Date:	Sun, 10 Apr 1994 19:25:13 -1000
From:	Darrin.Skinner@ebay.sun.com (Darrin Skinner)
Message-Id: <9404112025.AA06237@stuntkite.EBay.Sun.COM>
Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University
Subject: Re: Bicycle with a rev (Nomeclature)


-] Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 14:51:28 GMT
-] From: jbenedict@law.fordham.edu (Jason Benedict)
-] Subject: Bicycle with a rev
-] 
-] The Bicycle that Darrin had mentioned is actually the "Hadzicki Shuffle".
-] 
-] First done by the inventor of the kite and I beleive coined by those watching him.
-] 

Interesting... I've never heard it called this and I live just 
up the coast from Hadzicki land.  I would have no problems calling
the bicycle the Hadzicki Shuffle in honor of what they have brought
to kiting, but would this aid the endevor of standardizing names?

I think we should decide *how to choose* the standard name, when there
is more than one common/local name (or an very apt name like Hadzicki Shuffle).

Comments from anyone on this?  How do we decide?  Or do we decide on a case
by case basis?

Darrin


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Date:	Tue, 12 Apr 1994 01:45:04 -1000
From:	jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Message-Id: <2oe1k0$e4e@umd5.umd.edu>
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Subject: Re: Bicycle with a rev (Nomeclature)


In article <9404112025.AA06237@stuntkite.ebay.sun.com> Darrin.Skinner@ebay.sun.com (Darrin Skinner) writes:

>
>-] Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 14:51:28 GMT
>-] From: jbenedict@law.fordham.edu (Jason Benedict)
>-] Subject: Bicycle with a rev
>-] 
>-] The Bicycle that Darrin had mentioned is actually the "Hadzicki Shuffle".

>-] First done by the inventor of the kite and I beleive coined by those 
>-]watching him.
>-] 
>
>Interesting... I've never heard it called this and I live just 
>up the coast from Hadzicki land.  I would have no problems calling
>the bicycle the Hadzicki Shuffle in honor of what they have brought
>to kiting, but would this aid the endevor of standardizing names?

I assume y'all are talking about the motion one's hands make when a Rev
does a propellor spin without losing altitude?  (I seem to have missed
Darrin's first posting on this; my feed has been spotty recently).

If so, that's what I've been referring to as the Hadzicki Shuffle
for...what, a couple of years now?  I don't even remember when I first
heard it, or when.

Is this another case of East Coast vs West Coast names?  Jason's one of us
easterners...


>I think we should decide *how to choose* the standard name, when there
>is more than one common/local name (or an very apt name like Hadzicki
>Shuffle).

I don't know how we'll ever decide for _any_ move, other than to do so
purely arbitrarily.  Unless we can find the originator for a specific trick
and ask what _they_ call it (such as Steve Thomas and the axel), no name is
'more right' than another.  'Cept maybe the Hadzicki Shuffle.  ;-)  And
I'll stand by "the Full Andrew" as well (and that's a move I've managed...)

I still don't know how we'll come up with anything standardized for most
Rev moves.  I can't describe half the stuff I do in easy-to-digest
soundbites!

Jeff
(who would like to propose that when you're flying a rev in zero wind and
you pop the kite towards you at such a level that it just skims over your
head so you can then turn around and fly at the oposite side of the sphere,
you should refer to that as a guillotine...)


-- 
|Jeffrey C. Burka     | "Everything is still with a fear of never coming out |
|Suffering Bad Grammar|  Never following through / Never ever finishing      |
|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu |  What we wanted to do."  -- Melissa Ferrick          |


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