Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 00:30:29 -1000 From: john.mitchell@multinet.de (john) Message-Id: <199503161030.AA15205@BlackBird.MultiNET.DE> Organization: Harvard University Office of Information Technology Subject: Re: blackbir.zip Copyright crowell@teleport.com writes: > Bruno.Brottier@icare.fdn.org writes: > > >What should Black Bird Co think about this stuff ? > >This kite is right now sold for only months in the world outside France, > >and the plan is available on the net. This is quite unfair. But, this is > >only my 2 cts > > > If the Blackbird file that was loaded onto the net is copyrighted, please let > me know and I will remove it from my web page. If it is a plan that simply > shares a name, I will leave it up. The plan as I read it was German, not > French. > > carl I checked with the local Drachenladen(Kite Store). They have a Blackbird on stock. The documentation is in french. There is a mention of a Copyright and Registered. As my knowledge of French leaves a lot to be desired. I was unable to determine is this related to the kite, name or both. I would suggest that the plan be removed until this matter is clarified. Bruno, can you translate this documentation for us. Over-the-Rainbow, John Mitchell = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 13:11:43 -1000 From: Bruno.Brottier@icare.fdn.org Message-Id: <1995Mar16.231143.7226@icare.fdn.org> Organization: Individual - Levallois, France. Subject: Re: blackbir.zip Copyright In article <199503161030.AA15205@BlackBird.MultiNET.DE> john.mitchell@multinet.de (john) writes: > [...deleted...] Hi folks ! I don't know if the plan is registered or not, only in France or in the rest of the World. First, I would not recommend to use this plan, because there are some minor errors .. but this kite is so radical .. one mistake and this is the end. One of my good friends had a first experience with mine, and was not convinced. I just adjust 2mm (1/8") and I found my tuning ok for the low wind conditions. He had a second experience with it, and felt the kite awfull, ununsable. This was fine for me. This kite is defenetely not a Tracer. The shape of the sail is **very** sophisticated, and I have seen about tons of sails in garbage because they were not good enought in Black Bird Factory. The reason why I personnaly would not recommend to throw the plan away is: this is a good information. But I highly recommend not to use it as it. But everybody is free, do what you want. Cheers, have good winds ;-) bruno --------------------------- Bruno Brottier 37 rue Chaptal 92300 LEVALLOIS PERRET - FRANCE E-mail: Bruno.Brottier@icare.fdn.org -- [NeXTmail] --------------------------- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 23:13:53 -1000 From: crowell@teleport.com (Carl Crowell) Message-Id: Organization: Kites By Carl Crowell Subject: Re: blackbir.zip Copyright I have heard arguments saying that it is a different kite, and that is is the same kite. I have removed the kite from FTP & WWW access out of respect for the fact that the source of the plan does not know. I will not participate in knowingly ripping someone off. If anyone does have any plans that they would like to see online i urge people them to email them to hawaii, andrew, myself or any or many of the places where they can be available online. the more of a resource we can create the better. carl ___________________________________________________ email: crowell@kite.com FTP: ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/crowell WWW: http://www.teleport.com/~crowell Kites By Carl Crowell - O.S.F.M. World Headquarters = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =