Date:	Tue, 22 Aug 1995 15:57:13 -1000
From:	fsiegel@linet02.li.net (Frank Siegel)
Message-Id: <41e1tp$493@linet02.li.net>
Organization: LI Net (Long Island Network)
Subject: Help with a Flexifoil

My flying buddy has recently developed a problem with what is probably 
his favorite kite- a black, 10 foot Flexifoil. The kite used to develop 
enormous pull (I take his word for it- I see it dragging him around- I've 
found as I've gotten older things take longer to heal 8-) ). Anyway, 
recently, he replaced the little rubber grommets and tips on the spars 
(he lost one, replaced both). Starting around that time, his Flexi 
started developing less pull. Last night, in the aftermath of Felix, we 
had quite strong winds, and watched the Flexi carefully. It appears that 
the tips are bending too much, and the end cells are collapsing. The kite 
was not developing much pull.

Our local dealer, from whom he bought the kite, looked quickly at it 
and said he could send it to Flexifoil, but indicated it could take many 
months before it was returned (something about them closing for 3 months).

I don't know enough (actually, virtually nothing) about Flexis, but the 
logical part of me thinks that something is changed/different/wrong with 
the new grommets, or their positions (he assured me that they're the same- 
but sometimes our memories go South).

Any information that may be helpful would be greatly appreciated. (he is 
using the standard spar).

TIA- 
Frank (the other one, not nasty at all- but I hate to think of the 
potentially helpful people who will never see this due to 'kill' files) 8-)



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Date:	Wed, 23 Aug 1995 03:08:10 -1000
From:	DHAXTON@SSSP.GSFC.NASA.GOV (Donovan Haxton)
Message-Id: <DHAXTON-2308950908080001@m1101421.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center -- Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Subject: Re: Help with a Flexifoil

In article <41e1tp$493@linet02.li.net>, fsiegel@newshost.li.net (Frank
Siegel) wrote:

> My flying buddy has recently developed a problem with what is probably 
> his favorite kite- a black, 10 foot Flexifoil. The kite used to develop 
> enormous pull (I take his word for it- I see it dragging him around- I've 
> found as I've gotten older things take longer to heal 8-) ).

I have had the same problem with my Flexifoil.  The first session it
worked great, and then I put it away for a few months.  When I took it out
it never flew the same.  It lost its power, just like you said.  I thought
that the fabric was wrinkled from storage, so I tried ironing it with a
semi-warm iron. That helped some, but it is still not just the same as
before.  I examined the kite and could find nothing wrong.  Maybe the
fabric shrunk, but it doesn't' appear to be the type of fabric that can
shrink.  I don't know, sorry.

Don Haxton


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Date:	Sun, 27 Aug 1995 10:52:20 -1000
From:	mrkites@webcom.com (John Fraser)
Message-Id: <41qlu4$muv@atheria.europa.com>
Organization: Europa |||| Portland, OR
Subject: Re: Help with a Flexifoil

In article <41e1tp$493@linet02.li.net>, fsiegel@newshost.li.net says...
>
>My flying buddy has recently developed a problem with what is probably 
>his favorite kite- a black, 10 foot Flexifoil. The kite used to develop 
>enormous pull (I take his word for it- I see it dragging him around- 

- Without seeing the kite, check:

 - Sand in the cells (Been to the beach lately?)
 - Cells are torn loose from the top or bottom. Pull on top and bottom 
and see if they seperate
 - Flying lines not correctly attached to spar.
 -- 

       Good Winds ! -- John Fraser
      Once upon a Breeze Kiteshop
     mrkites@webcom.com
    http://webcom.com/~mrkites/



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Date:	Sun, 27 Aug 1995 13:03:46 -1000
From:	bckites@i-2000.com (David Klein)
Message-Id: <bckites-2708952303460001@bckites.dh.i-2000.com>
Organization: Big City Kite Co.
Subject: Re: Help with a Flexifoil

In article <41e1tp$493@linet02.li.net>, fsiegel@newshost.li.net (Frank
Siegel) wrote:

 It appears that 
the tips are bending too much, and the end cells are collapsing. The kite 
was not developing much pull.

If the end cells are collapsing in a stong wind, the most likley reason is
that the grommets are too close to the ends of the spars.What happens it
this case is that the fabric is over streched, causing the end cells to
collapse and flutter.
Try moving the grommets incrementaly in towards the center of the kite a
1/2 inch at a time to see if it helps. You should not have to move them in
more than a few inches I think. 
Flexifoil Int. has a great little leaflet on tuning flexifoils. If you
e-mail me your fax number or snail mail address, I would be more than
happy to forward a copy to you.

Our local dealer, from whom he bought the kite, looked quickly at it 
and said he could send it to Flexifoil, but indicated it could take many 
months before it was returned (something about them closing for 3 months).

The distributor (Ray and Jeanne Merry) will be on vacation from 9/2/95 to
9/25/95.



Any information that may be helpful would be greatly appreciated. (he is 
using the standard spar).

Hope this helps, Frank
-- 
David Klein, E-Mail bckites@i-2000.com
Big City Kite Co. 1210 Lexington Ave.
New York, N.Y. 10028
212-472-2623  Fax 212-472-2998
AKA Member Merchant


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Date:	Sun, 27 Aug 1995 23:57:41 -1000
From:	oakden@vo5.ph.liv.ac.uk (M.N.Oakden)
Message-Id: <whd9dq2vvt.fsf@vo5.ph.liv.ac.uk>
Organization: nil
Subject: Re: Help with a Flexifoil

In article <41e1tp$493@linet02.li.net> fsiegel@newshost.li.net (Frank Siegel) writes:

[...snip...]
   recently, he replaced the little rubber grommets and tips on the spars 
   (he lost one, replaced both). Starting around that time, his Flexi 
   started developing less pull. Last night, in the aftermath of Felix, we 
   had quite strong winds, and watched the Flexi carefully. It appears that 
   the tips are bending too much, and the end cells are collapsing. The kite 
   was not developing much pull.
[...snip...]

It does sound like the grommets have been replaced a little too far
apart (as you suggest in the snipped portion of your post), stretching
the kite a bit too much (at least I think it's that way round, ... my
memory goes south quite often too).  I remember seeing this happen
often with one of the flexis in my stack. 

Try moving the grommets in a little bit (go in small steps ... perhaps
as little as 1/8th to 1/4 inch at a time,  testing the flying
characteristics between adjustments).

Hope this helps (and is at least vaguely correct ;)

Cheers,
Mark.
-- 
oakden@dice2.desy.de oakden@hep.ph.liv.ac.uk | Squid-seller,
              I'm not politically incorrect, | harping cuckoo -
            I'm just differently articulate. | one voice.


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Date:	Sun, 27 Aug 1995 23:57:41 -1000
From:	oakden@vo5.ph.liv.ac.uk (M.N.Oakden)
Message-Id: <whd9dq2vvt.fsf@vo5.ph.liv.ac.uk>
Organization: nil
Subject: Re: Help with a Flexifoil

In article <41e1tp$493@linet02.li.net> fsiegel@newshost.li.net (Frank Siegel) writes:

[...snip...]
   recently, he replaced the little rubber grommets and tips on the spars 
   (he lost one, replaced both). Starting around that time, his Flexi 
   started developing less pull. Last night, in the aftermath of Felix, we 
   had quite strong winds, and watched the Flexi carefully. It appears that 
   the tips are bending too much, and the end cells are collapsing. The kite 
   was not developing much pull.
[...snip...]

It does sound like the grommets have been replaced a little too far
apart (as you suggest in the snipped portion of your post), stretching
the kite a bit too much (at least I think it's that way round, ... my
memory goes south quite often too).  I remember seeing this happen
often with one of the flexis in my stack. 

Try moving the grommets in a little bit (go in small steps ... perhaps
as little as 1/8th to 1/4 inch at a time,  testing the flying
characteristics between adjustments).

Hope this helps (and is at least vaguely correct ;)

Cheers,
Mark.
-- 
oakden@dice2.desy.de oakden@hep.ph.liv.ac.uk | Squid-seller,
              I'm not politically incorrect, | harping cuckoo -
            I'm just differently articulate. | one voice.


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Date:	Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:38:44 -1000
From:	andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie)
Message-Id: <DE3DGL.IAp@tug.com>
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation
Subject: Re: Help with a Flexifoil

<41e1tp$493@linet02.li.net> fsiegel@newshost.li.net (Frank Siegel) writes:
>My flying buddy has recently developed a problem with what is probably 
>his favorite kite- a black, 10 foot Flexifoil. The kite used to develop 
>enormous pull  [but now] The kite was not developing much pull.

I've noticed this too.  First time I flew a 10' flexi, it pulled like crazy.

Then I tried stacking them

Lots of them

Then I played with Peels

Then the occasional parachute, octopus or silly Phrog

These days, 10' flexies hardly pull at all...

Andrew
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