Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 22:56:42 -1000 From: bernhard.malle@dbag.ulm.daimlerbenz.com (Bernhard Malle) Message-Id: <9503140856.AA21504@dagobert> Organization: Harvard University Office of Information Technology Subject: Kite-Arch Hello arch-fans, I would like to build an kite-arch. Preferred option for the kite is an eddy at the moment. If I remember right, you only need the central spine for the eddies, right? Is there a preferred outline for the eddies or can I use any diamond-shaped form? Bernhard -- +-----------------------------------------+-----------------------+ | Bernhard Malle Tel: +49 7305 22203 | Go fly an octopus !! | | Ulm, Germany Fax: +49 731 505-4210 | | | Bernhard.Malle@dbag.ulm.daimlerbenz.com | | +-----------------------------------------+----------------------- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 13:45:13 -1000 From: amirault@max.tiac.net (Richard Amirault) Message-Id: Organization: The Internet Access Company Subject: Re: Kite-Arch >I would like to build an kite-arch. Preferred option for the >kite is an eddy at the moment. If I remember right, you only >need the central spine for the eddies, right? Is there a preferred >outline for the eddies or can I use any diamond-shaped form? I have not made one, but two of the folks I fly with have. If I remember correctly, the shape is a conventional eddy kite, with one spar from top to bottom. The kiteline is sewed to the kite, across the width, from one side to the other (replacing the horizontal spar(s)) Richard amirault@tiac.net = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 21:30:12 -1000 From: pamlim@uclink3.berkeley.edu (Lim-McAlister) Message-Id: <3k6524$cvg@agate.berkeley.edu> Organization: University of California, Berkeley Subject: Kite-Arch -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:24:36 -1000 From: pamlim@uclink3.berkeley.edu (McAlister/Lim) Message-Id: <3k8ei4$ouu@agate.berkeley.edu> Organization: University of California, Berkeley Subject: Re: Kite-Arch Bernhard Malle (bernhard.malle@dbag.ulm.daimlerbenz.com) wrote: : Hello arch-fans, : I would like to build an kite-arch. Preferred option for the : kite is an eddy at the moment. If I remember right, you only : need the central spine for the eddies, right? Is there a preferred : outline for the eddies or can I use any diamond-shaped form? : Bernhard ...The single-line kite that most captivated my imagination in '94 was the "Eddy Ribbon Arch Train." I first saw this kite train at the Verdun Rendezvous in Canada. There were also several of these trains at the Convention. While this creation may owe more of its heritage to the "Ribbon Arch" then the "Eddy Train," it has all the great aspects of the perfect kite project: it's easy to build, easy to launch, easy to fly, easy to take down, easy to pack, and easily gets more oohs and aahs from pedestrians than any other kite I have ever built. This kite has little pull for its size and will even launch itself! No kidding. What more could you possibly want in a kite project? I started with a train of 50 kites. As much as I enjoy the Eddy Ribbon Arch Train it does bring up a disturbing question... Is it a single-line kite or a dual-line kite? Whatever the case I think you can expect to see many of these trains in '95.If you'd like to build one give me a call... The preceding is from my regional report in AKA's Kiting Newsletter. As you can see I am more than a little excited about this type of train. This is my first post. (second attempt) I hope it works. I am new to the net and I had planned on lurking for a while longer but my interest in these trains makes it impossible for me to stay quiet any longer. In answer to your question, the standard 5:1 ratio works fine. Spacing between seems to be quite flexible. I have seen them spaced anywhere >From a few inches apart to two kite widths apart. All in all these trains seem to a forgiving design. If you build it, it will fly. Good Luck Tom McAlister :-) +-----------------------------------------+-----------------------+ : | Bernhard Malle Tel: +49 7305 22203 | Go fly an octopus !! | : | Ulm, Germany Fax: +49 731 505-4210 | | : | Bernhard.Malle@dbag.ulm.daimlerbenz.com | | : +-----------------------------------------+----------------------- -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 00:19:05 -1000 From: crowell@teleport.com (Carl Crowell) Message-Id: Organization: Kites By Carl Crowell Subject: Re: Kite-Arch In article amirault@max.tiac.net (Richard Amirault) writes: >From: amirault@max.tiac.net (Richard Amirault) >Subject: Re: Kite-Arch >Date: 14 Mar 95 23:45:13 GMT >>I would like to build an kite-arch. Preferred option for the >>kite is an eddy at the moment. If I remember right, you only >>need the central spine for the eddies, right? Is there a preferred >>outline for the eddies or can I use any diamond-shaped form? >I have not made one, but two of the folks I fly with have. If I remember >correctly, the shape is a conventional eddy kite, with one spar from top >to bottom. The kiteline is sewed to the kite, across the width, from one >side to the other (replacing the horizontal spar(s)) You will need a tail... not much of one, but enough to keep the eddy from flipping over. carl ___________________________________________________ email: crowell@kite.com FTP: ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/crowell WWW: http://www.teleport.com/~crowell Kites By Carl Crowell - O.S.F.M. World Headquarters = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:24:36 -1000 From: pamlim@uclink3.berkeley.edu (McAlister/Lim) Message-Id: <3k8ei4$ouu@agate.berkeley.edu> Organization: University of California, Berkeley Subject: Re: Kite-Arch Bernhard Malle (bernhard.malle@dbag.ulm.daimlerbenz.com) wrote: : Hello arch-fans, : I would like to build an kite-arch. Preferred option for the : kite is an eddy at the moment. If I remember right, you only : need the central spine for the eddies, right? Is there a preferred : outline for the eddies or can I use any diamond-shaped form? : Bernhard ...The single-line kite that most captivated my imagination in '94 was the "Eddy Ribbon Arch Train." I first saw this kite train at the Verdun Rendezvous in Canada. There were also several of these trains at the Convention. While this creation may owe more of its heritage to the "Ribbon Arch" then the "Eddy Train," it has all the great aspects of the perfect kite project: it's easy to build, easy to launch, easy to fly, easy to take down, easy to pack, and easily gets more oohs and aahs from pedestrians than any other kite I have ever built. This kite has little pull for its size and will even launch itself! No kidding. What more could you possibly want in a kite project? I started with a train of 50 kites. As much as I enjoy the Eddy Ribbon Arch Train it does bring up a disturbing question... Is it a single-line kite or a dual-line kite? Whatever the case I think you can expect to see many of these trains in '95.If you'd like to build one give me a call... The preceding is from my regional report in AKA's Kiting Newsletter. As you can see I am more than a little excited about this type of train. This is my first post. (second attempt) I hope it works. I am new to the net and I had planned on lurking for a while longer but my interest in these trains makes it impossible for me to stay quiet any longer. In answer to your question, the standard 5:1 ratio works fine. Spacing between seems to be quite flexible. I have seen them spaced anywhere >From a few inches apart to two kite widths apart. All in all these trains seem to a forgiving design. If you build it, it will fly. Good Luck Tom McAlister :-) +-----------------------------------------+-----------------------+ : | Bernhard Malle Tel: +49 7305 22203 | Go fly an octopus !! | : | Ulm, Germany Fax: +49 731 505-4210 | | : | Bernhard.Malle@dbag.ulm.daimlerbenz.com | | : +-----------------------------------------+----------------------- -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 21:28:23 -1000 From: Charlie@ind3x.dircon.co.uk (Charlie Charlton) Message-Id: Organization: ind3x Subject: Re: Kite-Arch -=> Quoting Bernhard Malle to All <=- BM> From: bernhard.malle@dbag.ulm.daimlerbenz.com (Bernhard Malle) BM> Hello arch-fans, BM> I would like to build an kite-arch. Preferred option for the BM> kite is an eddy at the moment. If I remember right, you only BM> need the central spine for the eddies, right? Is there a preferred BM> outline for the eddies or can I use any diamond-shaped form? Here are the details of a 50 Kite arch which I first saw flying at Dieppe I have since made one and it flys great, although it prefers, moderately fresh winds to achieve a good angle of flight. Make the Eddys 50cm High and 50cm Wide the spreader line should be 12cm down >From the top (38cm from the bottom) sew small pockets top and bottom to take 3mm glass fibre spars or similar repeat 50 times. now sew the kites to a nylon line directly across where the spreader would go I used 1.5mm diameter line. Leave 20cm between each kite. and about 2.5 metres spare at either end, this means you need 50x70cm =35m + 5m(for ends) =40m Each kite should have three strip tails 2.5cm wide and 1 metre long attach the tails to the spines, put in the spines, and you've finished. stake the two ends of the line out and adjust the distance between the ends to get the best angle of flight. (don't forget to put the spines at the back) Keep on sewing. Charlie AKG@ind3x.dircon.co.uk ... Sew The Sky +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | ind3x.dircon.co.uk in Nottingham, England /_ _|_ | | // || |_|\/ | | "...Slave to the hormone, body and soul..." // ||_|_|/\ | +-----------------------------------------------------------+ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 07:46:52 -1000 From: Terry_Reabel@carletonbe.ottawa.on.ca (Terry Reabel) Message-Id: <61271.254052263@carletonbe.ottawa.on.ca> Organization: Carleton Board of Education Subject: Re: Kite-Arch Tom McAlister wrote: > ...The single-line kite that most captivated my imagination in '94 > was the "Eddy Ribbon Arch Train." I first saw this kite train at the > Verdun Rendezvous in Canada. One of the above eddy trains was mine, a train of 100 Canadian flag skins. Our club started these as a project about 2 years ago and to date about 600 skins are out there. I personally have a 150 train of eddies and 50 of Edo style. the original style we built were for an arch, but finding that particular design unstable for this type of train (it snakes wildly from side to side) we came up with a more stable design much like the dutch teams trains which were fantastic, if I'm not mistaken I think at one time they had approx 1500 kites up on one line. Our club does have the kits available which includes 52 skins, spars - heavy gauge piano wire for cross spar and 4mm rattan for uprights. Everything is taped together E-mail me if your interested or require more info.. Terry Reabel Kite Skiers do it Upwind Ottawa Valley Kite Club = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 21:57:35 -1000 From: rolf@login.dknet.dk (Rolf V. Oestergaard) Message-Id: Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Subject: Re: Kite-Arch Charlie@ind3x.dircon.co.uk (Charlie Charlton) wrote: >Here are the details of a 50 Kite arch which I first saw flying at Dieppe >I have since made one and it flys great, although it prefers, moderately >fresh winds to achieve a good angle of flight. > > [excelent plan removed] > Is this not one of the few cases, where an asymetrical kite would really be better? Anyone tried to move the spine to the left for the right side kites and to the rigth for the left side kites? -- See You on FAN0, ______________ Rolf V. Oestergaard, Copenhagen, Denmark \ /\ / email: rolf@login.dknet.dk \/ \/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =