Date: 1 APR 93 20:33:42 From: poshusta@kbposh.enet.dec.com (Kelly Poshusta) Message-ID: <1pgbmdINN7dt@usenet.pa.dec.com> Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Subject: Kite Fishing On my recent vacation to New Zealand I read an interesting article in the NZ Fishing magazine about kite fishing. This intrigued me because I fish and fly kites, but not at the same time. ;-) I was lucky enough to contact the manufacturer and obtain a catalog of the various rigs available. Has anyone seen or experimented with Kite fishing? Kelly = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 07:03:25 -1000 From: mss@das.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki) Message-Id: Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Subject: kite fishing... I'm forwarding this along... ---------------- Return-Receipt-To: pratt@pipeline.com Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 00:25:55 -0400 From: Charlie Pratt Cc: Subject: *** No Subject *** I am interested in the sport of Kite-fishing. I have seen magazine photographs showing groups of kite fishers in South Africa, but I wonder if the sport has any followers in the USA or elsewhere? Kindly point me in the right direction. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 16:50:09 -1000 From: Colin_Douthwaite@equinox.gen.nz (Colin Douthwaite) Message-Id: Organization: Equinox Networks Subject: Re: kite fishing... Marty Sasaki (mss@das.harvard.edu) wrote: : I'm forwarding this along... : ---------------- : Return-Receipt-To: pratt@pipeline.com : Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 00:25:55 -0400 : From: Charlie Pratt : To: mss@das : Cc: : Subject: *** No Subject *** : I am interested in the sport of Kite-fishing. I have seen : magazine photographs showing groups of kite fishers in South : Africa, but I wonder if the sport has any followers in the USA : or elsewhere? Kindly point me in the right direction. The following is an extract from a report I did on the Southerly Kite Festival in March 1994: BOTTINO FISHING KITES The only other person flying in those appalling conditions was David Bottino flying the fishing kites he has developed over more than two years. They fly in all winds and weathers. All his kites are copyright. DELTA DB 105 TS is for light to very high winds and is used with the DIAMOND BOOSTER secondary kite for increasing pull and tacking angles. LINE CLIMBING COURIER Model 6 is for casting several hundred metres and the courier returns after each cast. The SPRINGBOW SLED is for the game rod, it tacks over 30 degrees and does not collapse in gusty or patchy winds. These kites flew as steady as a rock in all the weather conditions we experienced. If you wish to contact David Bottino you can do so by normal mail: D. Bottino 2 Lancaster Street CHRISTCHURCH South Island New Zealand. Local telephone number: (03) 365-3839 Bye, Colin Douthwaite New Zealand 16 May 1994 Email address: colin_douthwaite@equinox.gen.nz = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 08:55:56 -1000 From: RODGER@ray.uct.ac.za (Duffett, RV, Rodger, Radiobiology RAY Supe) Message-Id: Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Subject: Kite Fishing Hello Everyone! In response to the recent queries about kite fishing here is what I have been able to find out... In kite fishing a kite is used to get the lure or bait beyond the breaker line, into more productive fishing waters. Various travellers and casting mechanisms are used to get the hook etc out and there is normally some way of releasing the fishing line once a fish has been caught. The fish is retrieved without assistance from the kite. I have seen one design for a simple kite for fishing. It was constructed of tough plastic with a frame of two equal length sticks joined at their midpoints to form a cross. The sail is then a square!!! The ends of the sticks are joined with string and the plastic folded over the string and glued, taped or hot sealed. The kite has a three point bridle formed by two corners of the square and the centre of the square. (Attached to the frame where it crosses.) It also has a bridle for a tail or windsock. This is simply a length of line attached to the remaining corners of the square. The tacking angle can be adjusted by changing the relative lengths of the bridle - corner to swivel. The centre to swivel appears to remain constant. Further adjustment is made by moving the attachment point of the tail on the tail bridle ie closer or further from one of the corners. The kite can be made in different sizes for different winds. I have no idea how well it flies other than the assurances of the author in the booklet in which I saw the design. The booklet was a local production called something like "24 kite designs" The book did not have any further info on how the kite was actually used to fish. There is a local kite fishing association:- South African Kite Angling Assoc 11 Fairbridge Street Boksburg 1460 South Africa I do not know if they are active or not. Well hope thats of interest Cheerio __________________________________________________________________ Rodger Duffett Internet Address: rodger@ray.uct.ac.za Dept. Radiation Oncology Telephone : (021) 404 3135 Radiobiology Section University of Cape Town Groote Schuur Hospital South Africa = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 22:31:14 -1000 From: ez044661@chip.ucdavis.edu (The Philosopher) Message-Id: <35m6ki$h3r@mark.ucdavis.edu> Organization: Information Resources, UC Davis Subject: Kite fishing... I recently read a book about the history of kites, and in it were many references (and even a couple diagrams of) to kites made by polynesian islanders for the purpose of fishing. These were double-lined delta-shaped kites made from twigs and large leaves. The way they worked was simple but ingeneous: A third line (they used very thick spider's webs spun many, many meters long) was threaded through a loop on the kite so that the fisherman could hold one end while the other end, baited and hooked, could be underwater. The kite would be trolled back and forth above the water until a fish was hooked. Then the kite would be pulled up to its highest point, and the fish pulled up on the third line. I thought that this was an incredible idea, and a fantastic opportunity to combine two very enjoyable pastimes. Has anyone out there heard of anyone who has tried something like this, or has anyone done it themselves? I would be very interested to hear anybody's thoughts on or accounts of this type of thing. laswanson@ucdavis.edu __o \<, ()/ () ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 10:59:07 -1000 From: jason.stotter@oubbs.telecom.uoknor.edu Message-Id: <9409201559.0MGFZ01@oubbs.telecom.uoknor.edu> Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Subject: RE: KITE FISHING Yes, I have heard of kite fishing... I have read books which described using a box or delta-conyne flown out over the water past the big waves on the ocean. One line was used to fly the kite, and the other was the fishing line. Basically like the fishing kites you described. I think I read about a kiteflyer/author years ago (60's?) named William Yodel fishing with box kites. He used a clip on the frame of the box to hold the fishing line. Then if a fish took the bait, the clip released the line so he could just reel it in to the beach. Maybe that might help. I have yet to try it. You could probably get some of his books at the library. Good winds to everyone. Jason Stotter jason.stotter@oubbs.telecom.uoknor.edu = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 07:47:04 -1000 From: sasaki@das.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki) Message-Id: Organization: Harvard University OIT/NSD Subject: RE: KITE FISHING I've used a kite for fishing and there are kite fishing rigs for sale. I've heard of such rigs being used in the Caribean and in the South Pacific. The kite that I used was a medium sized rokkaku. We used a clothes pin attached near the kite and attached the fishing line with the clothes pin. After flying the kite to the proper place, a tug on the fishing line released the bait. There was an article in Kite Lines about a fellow who fished from a light house. The wind was very strong. He bridled an Eddy so that it would fly sideways and close to the water, the baited hook was attached to a line that was attached to the bottom of the kite. When a fish took the bait, it changed the balance of the kite and the kite would climb up, pulling the fish out of the water. Before using the two line rig, check local fishing regulations. I know that in California you are allowed to have one fishing rig per person... -- Marty Sasaki Harvard University Sasaki Kite Fabrications sasaki@noc.harvard.edu Network Services Division 26 Green Street 617-496-4320 10 Ware Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 Cambridge, MA 02138-4002 phone/fax: 617-522-8546 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 08:24:01 -1000 From: "savage allan"@a1.meoc02.sno.mts.dec.com (Allan Savage) Message-Id: <04520122904991_630839@MEOC02> Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Subject: RE: KITE FISHING Jason.Stotter wrote: >I think I read about a kiteflyer/author years ago (60's?) named William Yodel >fishing with box kites. He used a clip on the frame of the box to hold the >fishing line. Then if a fish took the bait, the clip released the line so he >could just reel it in to the beach. Jason, I think you might have meant "Will Yolen", but if you want to sing about it that's fine ;-}. In Will Yolen's book he devotes an entire chapter to Kite Fishing. The complete reference, for those interested, is: Yolen, Will. (1976). "The Complete Book of Kites and Kite Flying". Simon & Schuster. New York NY. (ISBN 0-671-22191-4) See chapter 8 (pp151-164) for Kite Fishing. Never tried it myself - why waste a good kite beach with fishing?? (Hey all you rod maniacs - don't flame me!! ;-) By the way, Jason, welcome to the Cyberworld of rec.kites. Good Breezes, BigAl (Allan Savage - Melbourne, Oz) = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 15:16:14 -1000 From: dickbell@netcom.com (Dick Bell) Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Subject: Re: Kite fishing... The Philosopher (ez044661@chip.ucdavis.edu) wrote: : I recently read a book about the history of kites, and in it were many : references (and even a couple diagrams of) to kites made by polynesian : islanders for the purpose of fishing. Some of the mail order fishing tackle outlets have fishing kites for sale in their catalogues. The technique works very well in some areas off of Florida where the water is very shallow and the fish spook easily. You basically just fly your hook and fishing line over the fish from the sky (via the kites) and if the fish is caught then a quick release lets the line go and you are reeling in the fish. Pretty neet trick. :-) -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dick Bell dickbell@netcom.com Dallas, Texas = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 13:57:46 -1000 From: Colin_Douthwaite@equinox.gen.nz (Colin Douthwaite) Message-Id: Organization: Equinox Networks Subject: Re: KITE FISHING Marty Sasaki (sasaki@netop3.harvard.edu) wrote: : I've used a kite for fishing and there are kite fishing rigs for : sale. I've heard of such rigs being used in the Caribean and in the : South Pacific. : The kite that I used was a medium sized rokkaku. We used a clothes pin : attached near the kite and attached the fishing line with the clothes : pin. After flying the kite to the proper place, a tug on the fishing : line released the bait. : There was an article in Kite Lines about a fellow who fished from a : light house. The wind was very strong. He bridled an Eddy so that it : would fly sideways and close to the water, the baited hook was : attached to a line that was attached to the bottom of the kite. When a : fish took the bait, it changed the balance of the kite and the kite : would climb up, pulling the fish out of the water. : Before using the two line rig, check local fishing regulations. I know : that in California you are allowed to have one fishing rig per : person... Here are two postings from previous threads of the subject of kite fishing. There are at least two manufacturers of fishing kites in New Zealand where many people fish but few fly kites. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RODGER@ray.uct.ac.za (Duffett, RV, Rodger, Radiobiology RAY Supe) Subject: Kite Fishing Message-ID: Originator: kitenews@netop3.harvard.edu Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 18:55:56 GMT Hello Everyone! In response to the recent queries about kite fishing here is what I have been able to find out... In kite fishing a kite is used to get the lure or bait beyond the breaker line, into more productive fishing waters. Various travellers and casting mechanisms are used to get the hook etc out and there is normally some way of releasing the fishing line once a fish has been caught. The fish is retrieved without assistance from the kite. I have seen one design for a simple kite for fishing. It was constructed of tough plastic with a frame of two equal length sticks joined at their midpoints to form a cross. The sail is then a square!!! The ends of the sticks are joined with string and the plastic folded over the string and glued, taped or hot sealed. The kite has a three point bridle formed by two corners of the square and the centre of the square. (Attached to the frame where it crosses.) It also has a bridle for a tail or windsock. This is simply a length of line attached to the remaining corners of the square. The tacking angle can be adjusted by changing the relative lengths of the bridle - corner to swivel. The centre to swivel appears to remain constant. Further adjustment is made by moving the attachment point of the tail on the tail bridle ie closer or further >From one of the corners. The kite can be made in different sizes for different winds. I have no idea how well it flies other than the assurances of the author in the booklet in which I saw the design. The booklet was a local production called something like "24 kite designs" The book did not have any further info on how the kite was actually used to fish. There is a local kite fishing association:- South African Kite Angling Assoc 11 Fairbridge Street Boksburg 1460 South Africa I do not know if they are active or not. Well hope thats of interest Cheerio --------------- Extract from NZ Kite Festival Report 1993 ----------- BOTTINO FISHING KITES The only other person flying in those appalling conditions was David Bottino flying the fishing kites he has developed over more than two years. They fly in all winds and weathers. DELTA DB 105 TS is for light to very high winds and is used with the DIAMOND BOOSTER secondary kite for increasing pull and tacking angles. LINE CLIMBING COURIER Model 6 is for casting several hundred metres and the courier returns after each cast. The SPRINGBOW SLED is for the game rod, it tacks over 30 degrees and does not collapse in gusty or patchy winds. They flew as steady as a rock in all the weather conditions we experienced. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Bye, = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =