Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 03:00:09 -1000 From: xfria@aol.com (XFRIA) Message-Id: <45b6cp$79h@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Kite shops in Houston Check out Kites Over Houston. They are located in the Galleria at 5015 Westheimer. Phone # 713/960-0608. Ken McNeill = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 04:46:30 -1000 From: mr.nasty@ix.netcom.com (Frank Kenisky ) Message-Id: <45bck6$lu2@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Subject: Re: Kite shops in Houston In <582807702wnr@pleasant.demon.co.uk> "C:WINSOCKKA9QSPOOLMAIL" writes: > >I have looked through the FAQ's but have not found any kite shops listed >in Houston, Texas. Are there any worth visiting? I will need to know by >the 14th October. >Thanks >-- > >| Bob Pleasant EMail bob@pleasant.demon.co.uk | > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- As a matter of fact there is a kite shop in Houston. It is owned by kite flyers and members of the SWSKC. Keith & Lou Anderson and James & Cynthia Salazar, the store is located in the Galleria and has just moved to a larger area. Keith is a regular on the American Kite Curcuit as well as the Eastern League and SWSKC. James is not only the president of the Texas Skyriders but also a very good competitor himself. The name of the shop is called KITES OVER HOUSTON Galleria I 5015 Westheimer #1450 (this may have changed) Houston, TX 77056 (713) 960-0608 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:20:17 -1000 From: "C:WINSOCKKA9QSPOOLMAIL" Message-Id: <582807702wnr@pleasant.demon.co.uk> Organization: None Subject: Kite shops in Houston I have looked through the FAQ's but have not found any kite shops listed in Houston, Texas. Are there any worth visiting? I will need to know by the 14th October. Thanks -- | Bob Pleasant EMail bob@pleasant.demon.co.uk | -------------------------------------------------------------------- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 21:27:49 -1000 From: "C:WINSOCKKA9QSPOOLMAIL" Message-Id: <465501183wnr@pleasant.demon.co.uk> Organization: None Subject: Re: Kite shops in Houston In article: <45bck6$lu2@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> mr.nasty@ix.netcom.com (Frank Kenisky ) writes: > > In <582807702wnr@pleasant.demon.co.uk> "C:WINSOCKKA9QSPOOLMAIL" > writes: > > > >I have looked through the FAQ's but have not found any kite shops listed > >in Houston, Texas. Are there any worth visiting? I will need to know by > >the 14th October. > >Thanks > >-- > > > >| Bob Pleasant EMail bob@pleasant.demon.co.uk > | > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > As a matter of fact there is a kite shop in Houston. It is owned by > kite flyers and members of the SWSKC. Keith & Lou Anderson and James & > Cynthia Salazar, the store is located in the Galleria and has just > moved to a larger area. > > Keith is a regular on the American Kite Curcuit as well as the Eastern > League and SWSKC. James is not only the president of the Texas > Skyriders but also a very good competitor himself. > > The name of the shop is called KITES OVER HOUSTON > Galleria I > 5015 Westheimer #1450 (this may have changed) > Houston, TX 77056 > (713) 960-0608 > > -- This shop has just changed hands. I don't know whether the people you listed are the new or old owners, but I met both and the sale of the shop does nothing for kiting in Houston. The shop now seems to be owned by a whole group of people that have purchased the shop just to make money (???) and have no interest in kites or kite flying. Bad Luck Houston. ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Bob Pleasant EMail bob@pleasant.demon.co.uk | | | ----------------------------------------------------------------- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 07:54:24 -1000 From: djskites@aol.com (Djskites) Message-Id: <46gksg$omf@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Kite shops in Houston >This shop has just changed hands. I don't know whether the people you listed are the new or old owners, but I met both and the sale of the shop does nothing for kiting in Houston. The shop now seems to be owned by a whole group of people that have purchased the shop just to make money (???) and have no interest in kites or kite flying. Bad Luck Houston. Well...............is it a sin to make money? Don't you make money at your job? Do you make money and supply a service? Let's say you answered yes to the last to statements, well............I hope you do make money at your work, and that you enjoy it as well. I hope the new owners do make money and I know some of these new owners and they do have a lot to contribute. They know kites, they know competitions, and they basically have a deep passion for the sport in general and have proved that thru the years. So why is it a bad thing for them to make money at something they love? Having a small retail for years (not any more because of similiar attitudes like the one above got me down), I know that it is very hard to make money in this business. Now divide that by 6,(number of owners) and that really takes a bite out of profit. This group is going out on a financial Limb to do this for Houston (and for themselves too) and they need the total support of Houston kite flyers both new and old to make it. I know that having that kind of talent in Houston will only help the sport in that area, and I wish them all the luck in the world! (they're gonna need it) Dodd Gross North and South America Importer/Wholesaler of HQ & Fizz Sport Kites Master Instructor Flight School World Tour Flight School Instructional Video Series \\\\\\\\\\\\Disclaimer/////////////// Because of my involvement with the above products and services, my views and statements may be seen as biased. I can assure you I am a flier FIRST! Quote of the month "Hay alquien aqui que hable ingles?" = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 07:12:52 -1000 From: dlw@odi.com (Dan Weinreb) Message-Id: Organization: Object Design Inc., Burlington, MA Subject: Re: Kite shops in Houston In article <46gksg$omf@newsbf02.news.aol.com> djskites@aol.com (Djskites) writes: The shop now seems to be owned by a whole group of people that have purchased the shop just to make money (???) and have no interest in kites or kite flying. Bad Luck Houston. Well...............is it a sin to make money? Don't you make money at your job? Do you make money and supply a service? It seems to me that he did not criticize their desire to make money. He criticized the fact that they want to make money *but* have no interest in kites or kite flying. I would presume that he would have no objection to new owners who wanted to make money but also were interested in and knowledgable about kites and kite flying. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 04:02:25 -1000 From: djskites@aol.com (Djskites) Message-Id: <46lg1h$kt7@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Kite shops in Houston (Djskites) writes: > The shop now seems to be owned by a >whole > group of people that have purchased the shop just to make money (???) and >have no interest in kites or kite flying. > Bad Luck Houston. >> Well...............is it a sin to make money? Don't you make money at your >> job? Do you make money and supply a service? >>>It seems to me that he did not criticize their desire to make money. >>>He criticized the fact that they want to make money *but* have no >>>interest in kites or kite flying. I would presume that he would >>>have no objection to new owners who wanted to make money but also >>>were interested in and knowledgable about kites and kite flying. Just to clarify, I wrote only the second part, I was supporting the store in Houston. THey do not buy from me, I just wanted to show my support for a retail store that I beleive does have something to contribute. I have not seen their store, but I know Keith and I know He knows kites and that he really is "into" this sport. Dodd Gross North and South America Importer/Wholesaler of HQ & Fizz Sport Kites Master Instructor Flight School World Tour Flight School Instructional Video Series \\\\\\\\\\\\Disclaimer/////////////// Because of my involvement with the above products and services, my views and statements may be seen as biased. I can assure you I am a flier FIRST! Quote of the month "Hay alquien aqui que hable ingles?" = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:25:38 -1000 From: mr.nasty@ix.netcom.com (Frank Kenisky ) Message-Id: <46pcei$ij@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Subject: Re: Kite shops in Houston In <46lg1h$kt7@newsbf02.news.aol.com> djskites@aol.com (Djskites) writes: > >(Djskites) writes: > > > The shop now seems to be owned by a >>whole > > group of people that have purchased the shop just to make money (???) >and > >have no interest in kites or kite flying. > > Bad Luck Houston. > >Just to clarify, I wrote only the second part, I was supporting the store >in Houston. >THey do not buy from me, I just wanted to show my support for a retail >store that I beleive does have something to contribute. I have not seen >their store, but I know Keith and I know He knows kites and that he really >is "into" this sport. >Dodd Gross Well, well, well... Mr.Gross, It seems that you have once again tried to speak from both sides of that inverted sewer in your face called a mouth and have written with the intelligence of a horney bleached baboon in a cage next to a whore house. There is no reason for you to speak of the kite shop in Houston. You probably know nothing about. The folks who bought the store in Houston know more about business in the toe nails they discard than you have grey matter in the pointed head of yours. If you want to speak of money let's talk about an incident which you e-mailed to me before an event in Lenexa, KS. It appears that Mr.Gross was so insulted by my ill manner that he decided not to attend an event which I was to take part. Initially, (for about 10 seconds) I felt bad. But soon I got over it. Then on another trip to Kansas to help with another event I had more time to talk with the organizers. Seems Mr.Gross said he would attend the event if he could run his Gross Kite School and charge his outragious fee. The organizers told Mr.Gross that they already had, the best flyers in the U.S. who would teach the public for free. Why would they need him to put on his Gross School? They said he was welcome but could not hold his Gross School for money. Mr.Gross declined to come. Well Mr.Gross, who I wonder is in this for the money? If the shoe fits my good buddy, well you know the rest. As far as the kite shop in Houston... Maybe they don't buy from Mr.Gross because it just may be bad business. I really don't know. But I do know that the owners, Keith & Lou Anderson and James and Cynthia Salazar are pretty well versed about kites. And on any given club fly or SWSKC kite event Keith will give lessons for free. Oh, btw - Mr.Gross, don't bother to flame me here or even send me something in e-mail, I won't respond to you. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 07:00:57 -1000 From: gilchgw@zoology.washington.edu (George W. Gilchrist) Message-Id: <46r389$7hp@nntp4.u.washington.edu> Organization: University of Washington Subject: Re: Kite shops in Houston Frank, It's Dr. Monkey-Breath here. You have twisted the words of one of my fellow primates once again. Read, oh nearsighted reptilian one, and ponder the mystery of your belchings... Just to set matters straight here, Frank, FIRST there was this posting from Bob Pleasant: In article <465501183wnr@pleasant.demon.co.uk>, bob@pleasant.demon.co.uk says... > >In article: <45bck6$lu2@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> mr.nasty@ix.netcom.com >(Frank Kenisky ) writes: >> >> In <582807702wnr@pleasant.demon.co.uk> "C:WINSOCKKA9QSPOOLMAIL" >> writes: >> > >> >I have looked through the FAQ's but have not found any kite shops listed >> >in Houston, Texas. Are there any worth visiting? I will need to know by >> >the 14th October. >> >Thanks >> >-- >> > >> >| Bob Pleasant EMail bob@pleasant.demon.co.uk >> | >> > >> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >> As a matter of fact there is a kite shop in Houston. It is owned by >> kite flyers and members of the SWSKC. Keith & Lou Anderson and James & >> Cynthia Salazar, the store is located in the Galleria and has just >> moved to a larger area. >> >> Keith is a regular on the American Kite Curcuit as well as the Eastern >> League and SWSKC. James is not only the president of the Texas >> Skyriders but also a very good competitor himself. >> >> The name of the shop is called KITES OVER HOUSTON >> Galleria I >> 5015 Westheimer #1450 (this may have changed) >> Houston, TX 77056 >> (713) 960-0608 >> >> >-- >This shop has just changed hands. I don't know whether the people you listed >are the new or old owners, but I met both and the sale of the shop does >nothing for kiting in Houston. The shop now seems to be owned by a whole >group of people that have purchased the shop just to make money (???) and >have no interest in kites or kite flying. >Bad Luck Houston. > >----------------------------------------------------------------- >| Bob Pleasant EMail bob@pleasant.demon.co.uk | >| | >----------------------------------------------------------------- > And then Dodd's reply to the posting defending the shop owners, the starred part of which below is just a quote of Bob Pleasant's comments (it seems a reasonable criticism to note that Dodd apparently does not have a newsreader that formats replies as nicely as yours or mine): In article <46gksg$omf@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, djskites@aol.com says... > *>>This shop has just changed hands. I don't know whether the people you *>listed *>are the new or old owners, but I met both and the sale of the shop does *>nothing for kiting in Houston. The shop now seems to be owned by a whole *>group of people that have purchased the shop just to make money (???) and *>have no interest in kites or kite flying. *>Bad Luck Houston. > >Well...............is it a sin to make money? Don't you make money at your >job? Do you make money and supply a service? Let's say you answered yes to >the last to statements, well............I hope you do make money at your >work, and that you enjoy it as well. I hope the new owners do make money >and I know some of these new owners and they do have a lot to contribute. >They know kites, they know competitions, and they basically have a deep >passion for the sport in general and have proved that thru the years. So >why is it a bad thing for them to make money at something they love? >Having a small retail for years (not any more because of similiar >attitudes like the one above got me down), I know that it is very hard to >make money in this business. Now divide that by 6,(number of owners) and >that really takes a bite out of profit. This group is going out on a >financial Limb to do this for Houston (and for themselves too) and they >need the total support of Houston kite flyers both new and old to make it. > >I know that having that kind of talent in Houston will only help the sport >in that area, and I wish them all the luck in the world! (they're gonna >need it) > >Dodd Gross >North and South America Importer/Wholesaler of HQ & Fizz Sport Kites >Master Instructor Flight School World Tour >Flight School Instructional Video Series > >\\\\\\\\\\\\Disclaimer/////////////// >Because of my involvement with the above products and services, my views >and statements may be seen as biased. I can assure you I am a flier FIRST! > > Quote of the month "Hay alquien aqui que hable ingles?" You may not like Dodd for whatever reason, but he said nothing critical of the owners of Kites over Houston and in fact quite clearly said they were good people. Your distorted perspective apparently made you see it some other way. Get on with your life, Frank, and let Dodd make a living. your friend in the trees, Dr. Monkey-Breath -- ============================== George W. Gilchrist gilchgw@zoology.washington.edu University of Washington Department of Zoology Box 351800 Seattle, WA 98l95-1800 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 12:46:36 -1000 From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation Subject: Re: Kite shops in Houston mr.nasty@ix.netcom.com (Frank Kenisky ) writes: >Well, well, well... Mr.Gross, > >It seems that you have once again tried to speak from both sides of >that inverted sewer in your face called a mouth and have written with >the intelligence of a horney bleached baboon in a cage next to a whore >house. I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate Dodd on having prompted such an outstanding insult. I thought I was doing pretty well myself, when Frank called me an "out right lier" in Email (for a reason that he refuses to tell me of), but this lacks the colour and imagery of your trophy here. >Seems Mr.Gross said he would attend >the event if he could run his Gross Kite School and charge his >outragious fee. The organizers told Mr.Gross that they already had, the >best flyers in the U.S. who would teach the public for free. Why would >they need him to put on his Gross School? They said he was welcome but >could not hold his Gross School for money. I can't think of any flier (Dodd included) that won't try to help you learn new tricks if you ask them politely and they have a moment to spare. Last year, Richard Marsh and Bungle (two of the top precision fliers in the UK) tried to show me how to Axle. I tried to copy them but was unable to emulate the move. This year, at Portsmouth, I watched Dodd for a while, and learned much, just from watching him perform the move - in his hands, the move is so precise and deliberate, that I understood it so much more, just from observation. We chatted and he gave me a hand and soon I could do it maybe 250f the time :-) The flight school is more than fliers showing the public how to fly. It is a structured and organised course, not only from one of the top fliers, but from one who has the experience in passing on those skills. The "outragious fee" that Dodd charges is basically designed to cover his costs. If this means that he can (with a little help from some friends) cover the cost of a trip to Europe by stringing some festivals together, then more power to him. Dodd is a professional kite flier. If he were to make a habbit of doing things that cost him more than he gets paid, he would eventualy get hungry. If Dodd is good enough at what he does to charge a fee, then who are we to argue? If the price is too high, then the service won't sell. It's a business decision. Where's the problem? I for one will make a point of booking early, next time the Flight School and I are going to be in the same town. Andrew -- New to rec.kites? START HERE! | To: www@kfs.org send an email message like this-> | Subject: service /-\ () >< () |\/| () >< () /-\ | http://www.kfs.org/kites/welcome Psst! Wanna buy a roll of white, wide, Carrington seconds? gimme a call! = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 05:29:33 -1000 From: mr.nasty@ix.netcom.com (Frank Kenisky ) Message-Id: <46ti8t$nrq@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Subject: Re: Kite shops in Houston In <46t82f$n14@newsbf02.news.aol.com> djskites@aol.com (Djskites) writes: > >>Dr. Monkey-Breath scratches out: >>You may not like Dodd for whatever reason, but he said nothing >>critical of the owners of Kites over Houston and in fact quite >>clearly said they were good people. djskites@aol.com (Djskites) wrote this yawner: >Thank you for straightening out the posting. > >Franks freinds tell me he is actually a very nice person when he is >away from the keyboard or phone. Any friend of my who talks to you isn't a friend of my for long... Well, it appears that I got a hold of a posting which was incorrectly posted and it left the impression that someone else had written something which was left by someone even more devious than Mr.Gross. It appears, from my conversation with the owners of the store that the said individual had a distink English accent. Hummmm... One of Andrules friends maybe. But I bask in the humor of these posts too long as work is needed, and I just found a great biniay file. I think I may have taken the word of DODD in vein... Anyway it seems I mistook someone else's post as Mr.Gross'. I guess you didn't say those things about the kite store. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 02:35:27 -1000 From: djskites@aol.com (Djskites) Message-Id: <46t82f$n14@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Kite shops in Houston >You may not like Dodd for whatever reason, but he said nothing critical of the >owners of Kites over Houston and in fact quite clearly said they were good >people. Your distorted perspective apparently made you see it some other way. >Get on with your life, Frank, and let Dodd make a living. >your friend in the trees, >Dr. Monkey-Breath Thank you for straightening out the posting. Franks freinds tell me he is actually a very nice person when he is away >From the keyboard or phone. I don't know about you, but I am wasting too much time typing myself. Gotta go and get my daily flying in. Today and tomorrow look very windy here on the east coast, time to go buggying. Frank, try to forget about being Nasty for once and lets go flying together. It will be fun! You still know how to fly don't you? First you take......ohh forget it, I'll send you a video. Sincerley, Dodd Gross "Just a kite flyer" = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 18:11:26 -1000 From: samef@shout.net (Sam Francis) Message-Id: <47197o$7fb@treflan.shout.net> Organization: Shouting Ground Technologies Subject: Re: Kite shops in Houston >In <46lg1h$kt7@newsbf02.news.aol.com> djskites@aol.com (Djskites) >writes: clipped some: >>THey do not buy from me,<< I just wanted to show my support for a retail >>store that I beleive does have something to contribute. then: >>djskites@aol.com (Djskites) wrote: >>I say the oposite "good luck for houston" and good luck to >>Kites over Houston, besides, they sell my kites!<< Hmmm. Maybe this is just too deep for me. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 15:27:17 -1000 From: clifford lemons Message-Id: <4719ll$2ve@ionews.ionet.net> Organization: IONet Subject: Re: Kite shops in Houston This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------------------1771378626145 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bob, I have not met everyone involved with the Kites Over Houston shop, but I have met Keith Anderson recently at the A.K.A. National Convention and I would like everyone to know that there was nothing I asked him to do all week that he was not more than happy to do. I would also like everyone to know that he was a lot of fun, great to talk to and I am happy I got to meet him as well as many others. Anyone who knows me, also knows I do a lot to support kiting even though I am not a very good flier. But when I ask a queston Keith is happy to tell me what I want to know. I am sorry you did not have a good experience at that store, but I do know that kites are not an easy sell if you don't put energy and enthusiasm into every sell making the buyer come back wanting more. The success of the store will be the teller of the true tale here. This type of place don't exist on content alone as any kite shop owner will tell you. I know many of them. ImNotCliff, Collette ---------------------------------1771378626145 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: ---------------------------------1771378626145-- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 15:51:01 -1000 From: clifford lemons Message-Id: <471b25$2ve@ionews.ionet.net> Organization: IONet Subject: Re: Kite shops in Houston Hi again Frank, When you make comments about a subject that you are not personally involved and don't know all the facts, you harm the very past time you claim to enjoy. There are not all that many kite shops and as far as I am concerned (I live in an area where there are very few) there are never enough kite shops around. I don't know everyone, but I did meet Kieth during the National Convention and I had a great time tralking to him. If he is a small example of the people at the shop, I for one can't wait to be there. As for the not liking accents, He did not seem to have a problem talkiong to anyone. I also didn't catch him kicking, scratching, or biting anyone. He was a well behaved kind of a guy. I tkink what happened is like me, you saw a chance to bitch about something and jumped in before you saw the pile of poopy below and landed face first. I wish KITES OVER HOUSTON the very best as shoiuld all kiters. As for Mr. Gross, I do see a need for what he does. Think about this, if the father of the little girl in England had had a few lessons, he would have had the knowlege to have made a better judgement call on lines to use and typeof wind to use them. Knowlege is something we never can have enough of. Mr. Gross also has my support in his endevers. Just Me, Collette = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 06:28:24 -1000 From: Bob Pleasant Message-Id: <676177758wnr@pleasant.demon.co.uk> Organization: Myorganisation Subject: Re: Kite shops in Houston >This shop has just changed hands. I don't know whether the people >you listed are the new or old owners, but I met both and the sale of >the shop does nothing for kiting in Houston. The shop now seems to be >owned by a whole group of people that have purchased the shop just to >make money (???) and have no interest in kites or kite flying. >Bad Luck Houston. Yes Dan Weinreb I did criticize the new owners for an apparent lack of interest in kites. No Dodd Gross I have no problem that they want to make money, I would be suprised if they do, especially when split six ways. I would like all kite shops to be more profitable as the existence of most seems to be borderline. Mr Nasty I have attended a Dodd Gross Kite School in England and can attest to the excellent value I gained from the experience. Also as my mail address has *uk* in it it does not take a genius to work out where I am from. And no I am not known to the erstwhile Mr. Beattie, but one day I may be fortunate enough to meet him. Also when you next talk to the owners can you inform them that the sale of items without state tax is quite legitimate to people who are about to take the goods out of the country, as long as the correct paperwork is complete. Unfortunately I found this out too late but they may be able to help future overseas customers if they familiarise themselves with the procedures. And if only you could restrain those fingers of yours I am sure you would have alot to offer. Finally, I may have done the store in question an in justice, I hope that my opinion is wrong and the store will prove to be a credit to Houston and the kite fliers it serves. My opinions are based on (1) the fact that I ordered a kite (not in stock), by phone on the condition that they could get it in the next 7 days. They took my order and credit card details (for a 50 0eposit), and assured that it would arrive on time. It didn't and I am still waiting. And (2) extreem frustration with the failure to find a way to avoid State Tax. The only "new owner" that I met did was not the typically friendly kiteflier sort, perhaps he was having an off day. All the above is my own personal opinion and therefore of no consequence whatsoever. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- | Bob Pleasant EMail bob@pleasant.demon.co.uk | | | ----------------------------------------------------------- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 10:56:49 -1000 From: Bob Pleasant Message-Id: <753864830wnr@pleasant.demon.co.uk> Organization: None Subject: Re: Kite shops in Houston In article: <676177758wnr@pleasant.demon.co.uk> Bob Pleasant writes: > > > All the above is my own personal opinion and therefore of no > consequence whatsoever. I wrote the above and then realised that it is of consequence, because if I can form an opinion, however ill-informed or judgmental so can any other customer. IMHO there are two factors on which you can judge a good or bad shop (kite or otherwise):- 1. The welcome one receives and 2. The expertise available in the appropriate field In both cases the chap who had been working there some years was good:-) The new management/employee was not good on the first and therefore it was hard to judge the second. Certainly there was little evidence of enthusiasm for kites/kite flying:-( As far as I am concerned the list of eminent kitefliers that are in the syndicate is irrelevant. THE FACE IN THE SHOP IS EVERYTHING. I would like this to be taken as constructive criticism as my intention is not to condemn, and I am sure that Mr Nasty will pass on my comments to the shop. ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Bob Pleasant EMail bob@pleasant.demon.co.uk | | | ----------------------------------------------------------------- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 06:28:24 -1000 From: Bob Pleasant Message-Id: <676177758wnr@pleasant.demon.co.uk> Organization: Myorganisation Subject: Re: Kite shops in Houston >This shop has just changed hands. I don't know whether the people >you listed are the new or old owners, but I met both and the sale of >the shop does nothing for kiting in Houston. The shop now seems to be >owned by a whole group of people that have purchased the shop just to >make money (???) and have no interest in kites or kite flying. >Bad Luck Houston. Yes Dan Weinreb I did criticize the new owners for an apparent lack of interest in kites. No Dodd Gross I have no problem that they want to make money, I would be suprised if they do, especially when split six ways. I would like all kite shops to be more profitable as the existence of most seems to be borderline. Mr Nasty I have attended a Dodd Gross Kite School in England and can attest to the excellent value I gained from the experience. Also as my mail address has *uk* in it it does not take a genius to work out where I am from. And no I am not known to the erstwhile Mr. Beattie, but one day I may be fortunate enough to meet him. Also when you next talk to the owners can you inform them that the sale of items without state tax is quite legitimate to people who are about to take the goods out of the country, as long as the correct paperwork is complete. Unfortunately I found this out too late but they may be able to help future overseas customers if they familiarise themselves with the procedures. And if only you could restrain those fingers of yours I am sure you would have alot to offer. Finally, I may have done the store in question an in justice, I hope that my opinion is wrong and the store will prove to be a credit to Houston and the kite fliers it serves. My opinions are based on (1) the fact that I ordered a kite (not in stock), by phone on the condition that they could get it in the next 7 days. They took my order and credit card details (for a 50 0eposit), and assured that it would arrive on time. It didn't and I am still waiting. And (2) extreem frustration with the failure to find a way to avoid State Tax. The only "new owner" that I met did was not the typically friendly kiteflier sort, perhaps he was having an off day. All the above is my own personal opinion and therefore of no consequence whatsoever. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- | Bob Pleasant EMail bob@pleasant.demon.co.uk | | | ----------------------------------------------------------- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:45:09 -1000 From: mauricio@tezcat.com (Mauricio Araujo) Message-Id: Organization: Tezcat.COM, Chicago Subject: Re: Kite shops in Houston In article <676177758wnr@pleasant.demon.co.uk>, Bob@pleasant.demon.co.uk wrote: [snip] > Also when you next talk > to the owners can you inform them that the sale of items without state > tax is quite legitimate to people who are about to take the goods out > of the country, as long as the correct paperwork is complete. Since it seems that you found out this is possible, can you point out where to find the correct paperwork. At least tell us where to begin the search. -- Sky Circus The longest running kite festival in Chicago = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 04:41:24 -1000 From: mr.nasty@ix.netcom.com (Frank Kenisky ) Message-Id: <47d9mk$a17@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Subject: Re: Kite shops in Houston In <676177758wnr@pleasant.demon.co.uk> Bob Pleasant writes: > [lots of other stuff left out] >where I am from. >And no I am not known to the erstwhile Mr. Beattie, but >one day I may be fortunate enough to meet him. Ooooooo! 'Erstwhile', has something happened to the Androol? :o >Also when you next talk to the owners can you inform them that the >sale of items without state tax is quite legitimate to people who are >about to take the goods out >of the country, as long as the correct paperwork is complete. >Unfortunately I found this out too late but they may be able to help >future overseas customers if they familiarise themselves with the >procedures. And if only you could restrain those fingers of yours I am >sure you would have alot to offer. Well, my fine misinformed friend from far away. Perhaps you don't know who the owners of the Kite Shop in Houston are. As I mentioned before, one of the owners is Cynthia Salazar. Cynthia is the chief Auditor for the Region in the South Texas area for the State Comptrollers office. FYI, that's the office which assess and collects state taxes. Hummmm... Me thinks if there was an issue here Cynthia would be the most informed individual to ask. >Finally, I may have done the store in question an in justice, I hope >that my opinion is wrong and the store will prove to be a credit to >Houston and the kite fliers it serves. It is... Now leave this alone, before it gets ugly. >extreem frustration with the failure to find a way to avoid State Tax. Avoid or evade? -- *************>>>>>>>>>>>>>MR.NASTY<<<<<<<<<<<<<************** Fiesta Kite Ideas http://www.tmn.com/kiteweb/home.htm 8302 Tiguex Mr.Nasty@ix.netcom.com Universal City, TX 78148 (210) 659-1803 or (512) 326-6221 ************************************************************* = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 15:07:32 -1000 From: kreed94136@aol.com (KReed94136) Message-Id: <47jn4k$i0g@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Kite shops in Houston Kites Over Houston is a compiliation of several well intentions and good times. The combined kite experiences of the group of owners and workers spans 15 years at least and will prove to be an assett to the Houston area for kiting. How much more involved do you want your owners of a kite shop to be than to be involved in the local club so much that you were members years before ever conceiveing of the idea of being involved in a kite shop. Lou and Keith Anderson, and Cynthia and James Salazar have greatly helped the kiting communities out through out all of Texas from Dallas, Austin, to South Padre Island and have never gotten paid for it or cared to they did it for the fun, enjoyment and the richness that comes from being true kite flyers. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =