Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 20:54:23 GMT From: sasaki@netop3 (Marty Sasaki) Message-ID: <1993Feb24.205519.23536@das.harvard.edu> Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Subject: none Please note: This message is being forwarded by hand. The message was received before the auto-magic forwarding software was in place. - Marty Sasaki ---------------------------------------------------------------- Default-Recipient-Options: report nonreceipt, no reply, return content Subject: Sensitivity: personal Importance: normal Priority: non-urgent Delivery-Options: allow alternate recipients, return content, allow conversion, mask P1 recipients Date: Fri, 19 Feb 93 14:07:28 +0100 From: nowak@wrcd1.urz.uni-wuppertal.de Hi kiters! I have a problem: Does anybody know if kites disturb radar? Or weaken radio beacons? We used to fly our kites for ages on a miltary training site without any problems - but now there is a new commanding officer who claims that kites and the rc-controled gliding planes disturb air security (weekends...) Any idea if there is something about it? I believe he just wants to show who is the boss around here .... J.Nowak = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 20:54:54 GMT From: sasaki@netop3 (Marty Sasaki) Message-ID: <1993Feb24.205547.23599@das.harvard.edu> Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Subject: none Please note: This message is being forwarded by hand. The message was received before the auto-magic forwarding software was in place. - Marty Sasaki ---------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Feb 93 11:22:56 -0500 From: Bob Sutterfield Cc: kites@das.harvard.edu Date: Fri, 19 Feb 93 14:07:28 +0100 From: nowak@wrcd1.urz.uni-wuppertal.de Does anybody know if kites disturb radar? Or weaken radio beacons? Unless your kite is very large and made of metallic materials, it's safe to say that it's entirely invisible to radar. Aircraft with non-metallic construction (composite airplanes and gliders, and balloons) are nearly invisible to a direct reflective return, except for the tiny profile area of their engines. Some Fiberglas airplanes become much more visible as they turn directly toward or away from a radar antenna, because the metal propeller presents a larger reflective disc. Of course, those with wooden or composite propellers remain invisible all the way around the turn :-) Because of this problem, aircraft that fly in crowded airspace carry transponders to present a powerful and digitally-encoded return signal and identifier, rather than relying upon the primary reflection for radar visibility and its associated additional safety. We used to fly our kites for ages on a miltary training site without any problems - but now there is a new commanding officer who claims that kites and the rc-controled gliding planes disturb air security (weekends...) I doubt very much that he's worried about radar clutter, more likely airspace encroachment and spurious radio emissions. If you get your kites up very high, or if they or your RC airplanes happen to drift over a runway or into other active airspace, they could cause serious safety problems for passing aircraft with people inside. Also, hobby-grade RC transmitters emit RF energy (noise) all over the spectrum, and who knows what sort of radio-triggered explosives they have sitting around that base? Any idea if there is something about it? I believe he just wants to show who is the boss around here .... People being what they are, that's always a possibility, too. Try working with the base operations officers to devise a schedule of hours and locations (and line lengths) so your kites won't interfere with their military aviation activities. If you show yourself willing to negotiate, and indicate that you are responsible and trustworthy and won't fly where and when you agree not to, maybe you can work something out that will satisfy everyone. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 20:59:22 GMT From: sasaki@netop3 (Marty Sasaki) Message-ID: <1993Feb24.210027.24085@das.harvard.edu> Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Subject: none Please note: This message is being forwarded by hand. The message was received before the auto-magic forwarding software was in place. - Marty Sasaki ---------------------------------------------------------------- Default-Recipient-Options: report nonreceipt, no reply, return content Subject: Sensitivity: personal Importance: normal Priority: non-urgent Delivery-Options: allow alternate recipients, return content, allow conversion, mask P1 recipients Date: Wed, 24 Feb 93 10:35:14 +0100 From: nowak@wrcd1.urz.uni-wuppertal.de some time ago someone talked about a new kite called the GRIFFIN Does anybody know if it is available now and if there is a mail order possibility to get it to germany?? Thanx J.Nowak = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 20:59:45 GMT From: sasaki@netop3 (Marty Sasaki) Message-ID: <1993Feb24.210039.24146@das.harvard.edu> Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Subject: Re: none Please note: This message is being forwarded by hand. The message was received before the auto-magic forwarding software was in place. - Marty Sasaki ---------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Feb 93 06:08:15 PST From: reich@flounder.harvard.edu (Ronald S. Reich) Cc: kites@das.harvard.edu Subject: Re: Subject: Date: Wed, 24 Feb 93 10:35:14 +0100 From: nowak@wrcd1.urz.uni-wuppertal.de >some time ago someone talked about a new kite called the GRIFFIN >Does anybody know if it is available now and if there is a >mail order possibility to get it to germany?? I posted a message that "The Griffin is Comming". Indead it has. The kite is designed and manufactured by Stan Swanson of the United States. His address and Phone number are in the AKA register. I don't have that information with me or I would provide it here. The kite is similar in shape to other 8 foot deltas' with the dart type swallow tail. It is supurbly constructed. The Sail material is the new shiney carrington. The standard model is available in three color patterns. I was tasked to test fly it and I was able to perform all of the current masterclass fancy individual stunts and also found that it could do some new ones that will be seen in competition this year. The one I tested was framed with wrapped graphite. The best of all is the price. I believe the whole sail price is around $60.00 and that puts the retail at about $120.00. I'm not positive about those numbers. I HIGHLY RECOMMED THIS KITE FOR THE COMPETITOR AS WELL AS THE BEGINNER. Stunt Kiting, Take it UP Ron Reich = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 21:00:15 GMT From: sasaki@netop3 (Marty Sasaki) Message-ID: <1993Feb24.210108.24212@das.harvard.edu> Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Subject: Re: none Please note: This message is being forwarded by hand. The message was received before the auto-magic forwarding software was in place. - Marty Sasaki ---------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeanette Helsel" Organization: MSU College of Veterinary Medicine Date: 24 Feb 93 11:06:47 EST Subject: Re: Priority: normal Ronald S. Reich writes.... ********** I posted a message that "The Griffin is Comming". ... .... The best of all is the price. I believe the whole sail price is around $60.00 and that puts the retail at about $120.00. I'm not positive about those numbers. I HIGHLY RECOMMED THIS KITE FOR THE COMPETITOR AS WELL AS THE BEGINNER. ********* Is there a source for whole sale kites and accessories? What about which a list of reccommended sources to use, and those to stay away from? Thanks! Jeanette Helsel MAIL ID: HELSEL@CVM.MSU.EDU Network Operations Center, VOICE: 517/336-2741 College of Veterinary Medicine, Michigan State University "Have you had one of those days when the umpire says 'Play Ball' and you are dressed for ice hockey?" = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 20:56:06 GMT From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Message-ID: Organization: Negligible. Subject: Re: none >I was tasked to test fly >it and I was able to perform all of the current masterclass fancy >individual stunts and also found that it could do some new ones >that will be seen in competition this year. ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Please *PLEASE* tell us whet these new stunts are! Andrew -- andrew@tug.com = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 07:10:58 -1000 From: mss@das.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki) Message-Id: Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Subject: none This message was sent to kites-request, I'm forwarding it to the rest of the kites and rec.kites. - Marty Sasaki ---------------------------------------------------------------- From: ERIC J CHAPMAN After reading unending piles of argument from Frank Kenisky I am firmly convinced that a person would be insane to associate with AKA. With all of the esoteric rhetoric there is little time for fun. I buy a kite, hang it in the air, and enjoy being outside. What more could there be to a simple thing like kiting ? Competition is fine for those interested but I would say that the majority of people I know fly for the sheer fun of it, not to get wrapped up in rules and regulations... On another tack, I just bought a Rev I and find I am having trouble keeping it in the sky. It seems to have come with dacron lines and a little plastic line winder. I see in the video they are using a different line and a wooden winder. Did I get ripped off by my kite dealer ? The kite will fly well in stron wind but in mediocre wind it will jet up to an apex and then gently float down to the ground. I have the bottom control lines as far forward as I can get them but it doesnt seem to help. Could this be because of the line weight ? = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 19:43:57 -1000 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Message-Id: <2ugg6t$53k@umd5.umd.edu> Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Subject: Re: none >From: ERIC J CHAPMAN >After reading unending piles of argument from Frank Kenisky I am firmly >convinced that a person would be insane to associate with AKA. With all >of the esoteric rhetoric there is little time for fun. Hunh? Most AKA members don't have to put up with Frank and/or any "esoteric rhetoric." We just enjoy getting _Kiting_ in the mail and enjoy various privelges, such as discounts from member merchants. Certainly seems worth my $20 a year! >On another tack, I just bought a Rev I and find I am having trouble keeping >it in the sky. It seems to have come with dacron lines and a little plastic >line winder. Are you sure that the lines are dacron? I've never heard of a Rev lineset being anything other than spectra or kevlar. Are the ends of the lines sleeved? If so, I can virtually guarantee that they're not dacron (unless a dealer has gone way off the road to rip you off...) >I see in the video they are using a different line and a wooden >winder. When Shanti first introduced the Crazy-8 Winder (as I recall, it was in late '89 or early '90), it was made of wood and had 4 screws for attaching lines. The next iteration was still wood but only had two screws...folks had finally realized that if you attached the ends of each pair of lines together, you had *far* less chance of tangling the lines. Finally, wood was dropped altogether, and line sets were sold on plastic winders. I don't recall the last time I saw a commercial wooden quad winder. My guess is that the portion of the video showing lines/winders was filmed way back when and never updated. >The kite will fly well in strong wind but in mediocre wind it will jet up >to an apex and then gently float down to the ground. I have the bottom >control lines as far forward as I can get them but it doesnt seem to help. It sounds like you might need to adjust your line length (upper:lower). Honestly, though, I'm not sure from your description which way you ought to adjust. If the kite rises when the tops of the handles are back, then your bottom lines are long enough. If the kite won't take off or jumps just a little bit off the ground, your bottom lines are too short. Rather than changing your line length, you can make a set of "adjusters" for your handles--lengths of line with even spaced knots around which you can larkshead your flying line. This will let you fiddle with the line length -- essentially the same as tuning the bridle on a delta -- just by changing knots. You didn't describe what you consider to be strong or mediocre winds. In light-ish winds, it takes some skill to hover a Rev. Try to keep the kite moving before worrying that the kite rises and then just floats back down--there simplay may not be enough wind for you to know how to hover it yet. Jeff -- |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Everything is still with a fear of never coming out | |Suffering Bad Grammar| Never following through / Never ever finishing | |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | What we wanted to do." -- Melissa Ferrick | = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 04:41:00 -1000 From: cyuen@rci.rogers.com Message-Id: <95Sep19.125831edt.20531@janus.rogers.com> Organization: Harvard University Office of Information Technology Subject: In article <199509181104.AA27477@BlackBird.MultiNET.DE>, john.mitchell@multinet.de says... > >I am trying to build up a list of all four-liner kites, >excluding foils, that were or are still on the market. >Could you all help on creating a list? > > Name Manufacterer >------------------- -------------------------- > >Revolution I Revolution Enterprices, San Diego, Ca. USA >Revolution II Revolution Enterprices, San Diego, Ca. USA >BackTracker Revolution Enterprices, San Diego, Ca. USA >Revolution 1.5 Revolution Enterprices, San Diego, Ca. USA > >Synergy - Deca Guildworks >Mynergy Guildworks > >Twin > >Omni > Other Quad-lines I've seen: (* - ones I think are no longer made) * Quadriflex Kite Innovations * Double Diamond Peter Powell * Omni Peter Powell Solution Spectra Sports Symphony Merrickites * Tetrad Boise Kite Co (?) Bat Magic Kite Co (is this an import?) Prowler ??? and of course... Beautiful Evil Sky Delight Kites Regards, Cal Yuen (cyuen@rci.rogers.com) Vancouver BC Canada = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 10:18:39 -1000 From: Internet@eureka.qc.ca (Internet) Message-Id: <-1400166577.ensmtp@eureka.qc.ca> Organization: Eureka Communications Inc. Subject: None From: kyteflier@aol.com (Kyteflier) Subject: John Barressi - Quadline Routine at NYSKC on video? Date: 15 Sep 1995 11:10:32 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Message-ID: <43c518$c72@newsbf02.news.aol.com> I was wondering if anyone had John Barressi's quad-line performance from the NYSKC (Sept. 2&3, 1995) on videotape. I would be willing to pay for a copy and shipping if someone could make it available to me. Please e-mail me at Kyteflier@aol.com Thanks in advance. Dan Brinnehl Kyteflier@aol.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= RFC850 Headers Follow =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- X-ENSMTPGroup: rec.kites 220 19240 <43c518$c72@newsbf02.news.aol.com> article atlas.odyssee.net!grumpy.insinc.net!news.sonetis.com!alpine.valleynet.com!news. net99.net!news.corpcomm.net!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.r eston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com! not-for-mail -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 10:19:47 -1000 From: Internet@eureka.qc.ca (Internet) Message-Id: <-1400166509.ensmtp@eureka.qc.ca> Organization: Eureka Communications Inc. Subject: None From: skrishnan@mmm.com (S.Krishnan) Subject: Re: Matchstick bamboo for kites: where can you get it? Date: 15 Sep 1995 02:04:35 GMT Organization: mmm Message-ID: <43amvj$6m3@dawn.mmm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Pardon those other notes. Stuck key got away with it. About buying bamboo at Pier 1 Imports, you can find 4 and 8 ft long bamboo at Pier 1. These are raw bamboo sticks about 1.5 to 2" in diameter. There is much work to do before one can whittle such sticks into kite size dimensions. However with some attention to the work on hand (with leather gloves on for protection from slivers) and a good whittling knife, this could be very relaxing pastime on the porch during a fall afternoon. A 49 cent bamboo stick has enough bamboo for making 3 good bows and spins for indian fighters. 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