Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 08:22:51 -1000 From: Mr.Nasty@ix.netcom.com (Frank Kenisky) Message-Id: <3gr7tr$obc@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Subject: Prarire Winds Kite Festival I bet some of you thought I got disconnected... Ha...I'm back again... Just had a long talk with Carolyn Moore from Wind Wizards in Lenexa, KS. She is getting all the necessary things ready for this years event. Seems that she was able to rent an indoor soccer field for the banquet this year. She says it's great for indoor flying. Probably one of the biggest indoor events in the country. Peter Warba is making plans to give a brief seminar and is putting together a set of rules which we will incorporate. This will be the first indoor competition using a standard set of Indoor Rules. The event in Kansas is great they have what I would consider the biggest PA system I have ever seen at any kite event in the country. The PA system is borrowed from a local rock group and is very loud and clear. Shawnee Mission Park, where the event is usually held has been cleared and enlarged. Now there is more area to fly. The event is also going to have its kite manufacture demo area like last year. This went over so well last they are going to enlarge the area to try and accomidate even more room for demos and spectator involvment. I guess if your a manufacture and want more information you should call Carol. Just in case you don't have her number it's: (913) 894-5483. Also, just like we did last year we will hold a brief judging seminar on Friday night for the benefit of the contestants. It will be held at the Headquarters hotel. This is a very informative seminar and is a good time for any questions to be raised regarding new rules or changes within the AKA. If you have any questions you can e-mail me at MR.Nasty@ix.netcom.com. No Flames please. Mr.Nasty = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 18:52:06 -1000 From: jburka@Glue.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Message-Id: <3gscpm$7ac@geog25.umd.edu> Organization: Project Glue, University of Maryland, College Park Subject: Re: Prarire Winds Kite Festival Honestly, Frank, this is an honest question, not flamebait... In article <3gr7tr$obc@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, Frank Kenisky wrote: >indoor events in the country. Peter Warba is making plans to give a >brief seminar and is putting together a set of rules which we will >incorporate. This will be the first indoor competition using a standard >set of Indoor Rules. Without questinoning Peter Werba's abilities as an indoor flyer, on what grounds are you claiming that this is competition will be based on a "standard set" of rules? Has the set of rules been (a) finalized and (b) adopted by any of the recognized sport kiting association (whether the AKA, the Eastern League, American Kite Circuit, or whatever)? Jeff -- |Jeffrey C. Burka | Pithy, insightful quote to be inserted | | | when one occurs to me. *If* one occurs | |jeffy@glue.umd.edu | to me. | = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 14:18:17 -1000 From: steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) Message-Id: Organization: VisionAire; Palo Alto, California Subject: Re: Prarire Winds Kite Festival = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 06:43:46 -1000 From: Mr.Nasty@ix.netcom.com (Frank Kenisky) Message-Id: <3gtmg2$cm0@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Subject: Re: Prarire Winds Kite Festival In <3gscpm$7ac@geog25.umd.edu> jburka@Glue.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) writes: > >Honestly, Frank, this is an honest question, not flamebait... > >In article <3gr7tr$obc@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, >Frank Kenisky wrote: > >>indoor events in the country. Peter Warba is making plans to give a >>brief seminar and is putting together a set of rules which we will >>incorporate. This will be the first indoor competition using a standard >>set of Indoor Rules. > >Without questinoning Peter Werba's abilities as an indoor flyer, on what >grounds are you claiming that this is competition will be based on a >"standard set" of rules? Has the set of rules been (a) finalized and (b) >adopted by any of the recognized sport kiting association (whether the AKA, >the Eastern League, American Kite Circuit, or whatever)? > >Jeff > >-- >|Jeffrey C. Burka | Pithy, insightful quote to be inserted | >| | when one occurs to me. *If* one occurs | >|jeffy@glue.umd.edu | to me. | > Does it need to be? If so why? Not a flame? But it seems that this is just as valid a question as yours. I would like an answer. Mr.Nasty = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 09:31:06 -1000 From: jburka@Glue.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Message-Id: <3gu09q$5le@geog20.umd.edu> Organization: Project Glue, University of Maryland, College Park Subject: Re: Prarire Winds Kite Festival Frank wrote: >>>indoor events in the country. Peter Warba is making plans to give a >>>brief seminar and is putting together a set of rules which we will >>>incorporate. This will be the first indoor competition using a >>>standard set of Indoor Rules. And I responded with: >>On what grounds are you claiming that this is competition will be based on a >>"standard set" of rules? Has the set of rules been (a) finalized and >>(b) adopted by any of the recognized sport kiting association (whether the >>AKA, the Eastern League, American Kite Circuit, or whatever)? Frank does not seem to understand this and asks: >Does it need to be? > >If so why? What you have described is a set of rules for an individual competition, not a "standard." By that criteria, the rules used at Wildwood last May (rules, which, I might add, I felt were *very* lacking in sensibility; I expect Peter's to make more sense) are *just* as much a standard. I'll pull a reasonable definition out of my handy-dandy dictionary and call a standard "a type, model, or example commonly or generally accepted or adhered to; criterion set for usages or practices." Again I ask, on what grounds are you calling this a standard set of rules? >Not a flame? No, *not* a flame. People tend to know when I flame them. >But it seems that this is just as valid a question as yours. I would >like an answer. Quid pro quo. Jeff -- |Jeffrey C. Burka | Pithy, insightful quote to be inserted | | | when one occurs to me. *If* one occurs | |jeffy@glue.umd.edu | to me. | = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 17:53:29 -1000 From: steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) Message-Id: Organization: VisionAire; Palo Alto, California Subject: Re: Prarire Winds Kite Festival [Hoping this is not a duplicate--the original seems to have gotten lost] Frank Kenisky (Mr.Nasty@ix.netcom.com) wrote: [stuff deleted] : She says it's great for indoor flying. Probably one of the biggest : indoor events in the country. Peter Warba is making plans to give a ^^^^^^^^^^^ : brief seminar and is putting together a set of rules which we will : incorporate. This will be the first indoor competition using a standard : set of Indoor Rules. Frank has met Peter *Werba* several times. At last year's Prarie Winds event, Frank, as the announcer, repeadetly mis-pronounced not only Peter's name, by *my* name. We corrected him several times, and he *has* met Peter since then, and Peter's name has been written here many, many times. I surely hope that Frank doesn't announce at this year's event. I think it would be very *rude* that a sponsor fly across the country and help pay for an event only to have his/her name repeatedly made fun of by the event's announcer. I've been hencetofor sitting on the sidelines of the "Frank" debate here because I thought I might have loosely sided with some of the things he had been saying. I had, 18 months before Frank, brought many of the issues he talked about to this forum. However, my motivation was that of a competitior frustrated with the current circuit, etc. This last stunt tells me that this isn't Frank's motivation at all. What comes to my mind now is a quote from the movie, "Air Plane": "Mabey he's just an asshole...". *** As a side note; Peter *Werba* will not be at the Prarie winds event, as he will be in Euchinada, Japan at that time. He will be sending a "substitute" flyer; albeit not as good an indoor flyer as he, this flyer has given indoor seminars before, and *did*, after all, beat him in the indoor event in Chicago last year! ;-). = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 18:08:27 -1000 From: steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) Message-Id: Organization: VisionAire; Palo Alto, California Subject: Re: Prarire Winds Kite Festival Jeffrey C. Burka (jburka@Glue.umd.edu) wrote: : Honestly, Frank, this is an honest question, not flamebait... : In article <3gr7tr$obc@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, : Frank Kenisky wrote: : >indoor events in the country. Peter Warba is making plans to give a : >brief seminar and is putting together a set of rules which we will : >incorporate. This will be the first indoor competition using a standard : >set of Indoor Rules. : Without questinoning Peter Werba's abilities as an indoor flyer, on what : grounds are you claiming that this is competition will be based on a : "standard set" of rules? Has the set of rules been (a) finalized and (b) : adopted by any of the recognized sport kiting association (whether the AKA, : the Eastern League, American Kite Circuit, or whatever)? It's not accurate to say that Peter "is putting together a set of rules". Peter has given his input on the rules to the folks at Wind Wizards, and has sent them a set of rules that were used in the Netherlands in an indoor event there. I think the "standard set of rules" means that the rules will be posted before hand, and that competitors will know what (generally) to expect for that competition. The rules have not been adopted to any of the ruling bodies, and I doubt that they will for perhaps a few more competitions, as we hash out all of the problems... = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 06:15:13 -1000 From: Judy L.Winkler Message-Id: Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Subject: Re: Prarire Winds Kite Festival Steve Thomas writes: >Peter has given his input on the rules to the folks at Wind Wizards, and >has sent them a set of rules that were used in the Netherlands in an >indoor event there. I think the "standard set of rules" means that the >rules will be posted before hand, and that competitors will know what >(generally) to expect for that competition. The rules have not been >adopted to any of the ruling bodies, and I doubt that they will for >perhaps a few more competitions, as we hash out all of the problems... Would love to know what these rules are. Can you post them? = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 05:48:18 -1000 From: Mr.Nasty@ix.netcom.com (Frank Kenisky) Message-Id: <3h5gc2$d7f@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Subject: Re: Prarire Winds Kite Festival In <3gu09q$5le@geog20.umd.edu> jburka@Glue.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) writes: > >Frank wrote: > >>>>indoor events in the country. Peter Warba is making plans to give a >>>>brief seminar and is putting together a set of rules which we will >>>>incorporate. This will be the first indoor competition using a >>>>standard set of Indoor Rules. > >And I responded with: > >>>On what grounds are you claiming that this is competition will be based on a >>>"standard set" of rules? Has the set of rules been (a) finalized and >>>(b) adopted by any of the recognized sport kiting association (whether the >>>AKA, the Eastern League, American Kite Circuit, or whatever)? > >Frank does not seem to understand this and asks: > >>Does it need to be? >> >>If so why? > >What you have described is a set of rules for an individual competition, >not a "standard." By that criteria, the rules used at Wildwood last May >(rules, which, I might add, I felt were *very* lacking in sensibility; I >expect Peter's to make more sense) are *just* as much a standard. I'll >pull a reasonable definition out of my handy-dandy dictionary and call a >standard "a type, model, or example commonly or generally accepted or >adhered to; criterion set for usages or practices." > >Again I ask, on what grounds are you calling this a standard set of rules? > >>Not a flame? > >No, *not* a flame. People tend to know when I flame them. > >>But it seems that this is just as valid a question as yours. I would >>like an answer. > >Quid pro quo. > >Jeff > Interesting... Peter is putting together a seminar which, I cannot speak for him, but I feel that it is probably a very humbling experience to put down on paper a set of rules which we will use for the Prairie Winds Indoor Competition. Yes, these rules are for Prairie Winds Indoor Competition and have not been accepted by any other body of "Kite Authorities" [a contridaction in terms, just editorializing] The announcement was to inform as many individuals as possible about upcoming event in the South West Sport Kite Conference. Not to take a position regarding rules [or guidelines]. The rules which are followed at the Prairie Winds Festival (Competition) will be enforced FAIRLY. I am sorry if using the term Standard is upsetting. Maybe if someone else a bit more friendly stated it was a standard it might be easier to swallow. I hope to see you at Prairie Winds this April. If you would like more information please call Carol Moore at (913) 894-5483. Thanks P.S. I personally feel that any governing body which prints a rules book and places requirements on Sanctioned events to unfairly qualify individuals to its annual convention and does nothing to enforce the rules is a waste of time. Mr.Nasty = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =