Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 06:41:36 -1000 From: sasaki@das.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki) Message-Id: Organization: Harvard University OIT/NSD Subject: Re: rec.kites pin graphic One thing about these graphics images. Many rec.kites readers have problems dealing with large messages. Rather than post large messages, post pointers to places where the graphic can be copied from, or offer to send mail copies to those who are interested. Alternatively, you can send the image to me and I will mail them out to people who request them. I like the graphic. How about two versions of the pin, one for the Western, and one for the Eastern Hemisphere... -- Marty Sasaki Harvard University Sasaki Kite Fabrications sasaki@noc.harvard.edu Network Services Division 26 Green Street 617-496-4320 10 Ware Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 Cambridge, MA 02138-4002 phone/fax: 617-522-8546 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 22:28:43 -1000 From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne) Message-Id: <2t1b3r$q8n@pobox.csc.fi> Organization: Centre for Scintific Computing Subject: Re: rec.kites pin graphic In sasaki@netop3.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki) writes: >I like the graphic. How about two versions of the pin, one for the >Western, and one for the Eastern Hemisphere... I like Jeanette's design, more than my own - also the part of hemisphere selected:-) I would buy both Western and Eastern versions... However, I believe the design needs some simplifications to reproduce well on a pin. e.g. the shrouds (sp?) on lines, tail? Scale down by 0.1 to see what I mean. I suppose the outline would be a rectangle? How about ":-)@rec.kites" on the banner? Simo -- Simo.Salanne@csc.fi STACK Finland = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 19:56:25 -1000 From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation Subject: Re: rec.kites pin graphic sasaki@netop3.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki) writes: >I like the graphic. How about two versions of the pin, one for the >Western, and one for the Eastern Hemisphere... I'm not sure how serious this suggestion is, but somehow it doesn't seem right to symbolically split up r.k. One of the main features of r.k is that distance is no object, this is the local kite club in the global village. One Sky, One world, One pin! :-) Andrew -- Yes Karen, some of us *do* care! Netiquette-of-the-day: Take care to attribute quotes correctly. You can FTP the kite FAQ's from ftp.hawaii.edu (directory /pub/rec/kites/faq) The FAQ's have lists of kites, kite stores, kite questions, kite books & plans. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 11:23:16 -1000 From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation Subject: Re: rec.kites pin graphic clark@ahdlms.cvm.msu.edu (Jeanette Clark) writes: >RECKITE.GIF What an excellent graphic. I didn't know what I was looking for, but when I saw this, I knew that I had found it. Originally, the idea was only for pins, but this graphic would carry well on flags, kites, play sails and T-shirts. It offers the oppertunity for customisation on the red banner (eg: "rec.kites @ Fano '94" perhaps?) and the lines round the globe speak to me not only of kite lines, but also of the network that holds us together. The Euro-centric nature of the globe seems fairly natural and traditional to me. My feeling is that this view of the globe is the most un-specific, representing "global" and suitable for the first pin. On the other hand, I have no complaint that the UK is completely missing to get the detail level right. Again, this could be customised for specific purposes - perhaps centred over Ivanpah for "rec.kites @ The Thang '96" etc. I like the colours a lot. Some constructive criticism: For the pin, I expect that the writing needs to be larger (and as a result, they banner may have to be bigger) Perhaps a pin expert can help us with some guidance. Whilst I note some people's desire to include and "@" sign, I would be inclined to limit the text to merely "rec.kites" for the pin. Thinking about it, the correct spelling of "rec.kites" in entirely lower case letters. I'll say it again: What an excellent graphic! Andrew -- Yes Karen, some of us *do* care! Netiquette-of-the-day: Take care to attribute quotes correctly. You can FTP the kite FAQ's from ftp.hawaii.edu (directory /pub/rec/kites/faq) The FAQ's have lists of kites, kite stores, kite questions, kite books & plans. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 17:59:54 -1000 From: Thom Shanken Message-Id: Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Subject: Re: rec.kites pin graphic Wow! Talk about a rec.kites pin explosion!!! I hardly know in which thread to reply! I am still trying (desperately) to take this all in....I am studying as fast as my time allows (I now know that by doing this I am RTFMing), though I still haven't figured out e-mail yet. I have also discovered that I am a rec.kites "lurker" (how sinister), and that after making the previous parenthetical remark it IS NOT bad punctuation, but rather, good manners to add :-) BUT I DIGRESS.... Simo Salanne's concept seems IMHO to "hit the mark" (this having nothing to do with Mark Virgillio - Hi Mark! :-) [Incredible! You can even use that "Smiley" thing to close parenthesis!] and I think it is important, in light of the volume of responses not to loose sight og the basic goal, namely; a pin that solicits the design input of the entire rec.kites community for the purpose of identifing rec.kiters. With that said I would address the comments of Marty Sasaki and Andrew Beattie (love that "Kite oracle" bit Andrew!). In the interest of representing the rec.kites GLOBAL community as a whole there are several global projections: mercator, sinusoidal, Mollweide, Aitoff, Eckert and gores (to name but a few) that would not only represent the entire planet, but would help to provide an interesting pin shape as well....(just a thought). My last comment pertains to the wording of the pin. I suppose, as an artist, it is my assigned lot in life to always look for the "romantic/mystical/meta- physical" view of things. It is probably for this reason that the concept of: "kites in cyberspace" intrigues me. As "kiters (kiteflyers) in cyberspace" are we "CYBERKITERS" (should that be spelled: "CYBERCYTERS")? Do the objects of our passion become "CYTES"? It is, of course, entirely possible that I have finally designed one logo too many, but isn't "rec.kites" a bit esoteric? What of the future????: "alt.kites" (you are welcome to contact me on e-mail, as soon as I figure the damn thing out, for some delicious edible/flying kites, complete with instructions on how to fly them right into your mouth!), "bionet.kites" (a discussion group on what to do with old uneaten edible kites). Oh, BTW, should I be putting that :-) thing after each of these? Perhaps, while designing a pin, we should also "design" a name to embody the concept as well. Closing thought: Have any of you yet flown a kite in cyberspace?....I'm working on it! Good Lift to All! Thom Shanken (thomshanken@delphi.com) = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 23:26:06 -1000 From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne) Message-Id: <2t42re$n3a@pobox.csc.fi> Organization: Centre for Scintific Computing Subject: Re: rec.kites pin graphic In andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) writes: >sasaki@netop3.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki) writes: >>I like the graphic. How about two versions of the pin, one for the >>Western, and one for the Eastern Hemisphere... >I'm not sure how serious this suggestion is, but somehow it doesn't seem >right to symbolically split up r.k. One of the main features of r.k is >that distance is no object, this is the local kite club in the global village. >One Sky, One world, One pin! :-) Having two _views_ of globe doesn't split us mentally. If we'll have two pins I'll wear one in front, the other on back. Simo -- Simo.Salanne@csc.fi STACK Finland = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =