Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 07:37:55 -1000 From: Werner.Genicot@lannion.cnet.fr (Genicot Werner cnet-laa-tss-ssv Tel 96053839) Message-Id: <3000738869164150000GENICOT*_S=Genicot_G=Werner_OU=lannion_PRMD=fr_ADMD=_@ MHS> Organization: Harvard University Office of Information Technology Subject: Rep : making kites using adhesives Hi , to respond to ... > Subject: making kites using adhesives > > Andrew > In the next issue of kitelines magazine there will be an article on using > adhesives. I do not want to pre-empt the magazine information. But after the > ............... > of work by Michael Graves who has also made some kites using the adhesives. > Dave Lord have you ever heard about the method which is used by the sail maker. For example i'd heard about the "SPYNAKER" used during the America's cup. People said to me that the fabric was Mylar with spectra or Kevlar which can be glued (which glue???). This sail are off course very light. Can some one living around San Diego investigate and ask for some little piece of "magic" sail... Be the wind with U. Werner genicot@lannion.cnet.fr = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 10:52:45 -1000 From: sasaki@netope.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki) Message-Id: <3grgmt$ool@netope.harvard.edu> Organization: Harvard OIT Network Services Subject: Re: Rep : making kites using adhesives In article <3000738869164150000GENICOT*_S=Genicot_G=Werner_OU=lannion_PRMD=fr_ADMD=_@MHS>, Werner.Genicot@lannion.cnet.fr (Genicot Werner cnet-laa-tss-ssv Tel 96053839) writes: |> have you ever heard about the method which is used by the sail maker. |> For example i'd heard about the "SPYNAKER" used during the America's cup. |> People said to me that the fabric was Mylar with spectra or Kevlar which can |> be glued (which glue???). This sail are off course very light. |> Can some one living around San Diego investigate and ask for some little piece |> of "magic" sail... Sail makers have been using adhesives for making sails for a long time now. Basically, you can't sew mylar or other similar fabrics directly. The needle used in sewing will result in tears and a general weakening of the fabric. To avoid this, you can either glue everything together, tape it together, or use tape and sew it together. The later works pretty well and is the method that I've used to reinforce areas on kites that I've made with Orcon (which is mylar with dacron "ripstop" threads in it). You place fabric tape in the area where you want to sew things together and then you sew through the tape. The folks at Prism use such techniques in their kites. It allows them to make lightweight, very sturdy kites, out of interesting materials. -- Marty Sasaki Harvard University Sasaki Kite Fabrications sasaki@harvard.edu Network Services Division 90 Melrose Street 617-496-4320 10 Ware Street Arlington, MA 02174 Cambridge, MA 02138-4002 phone/fax: 617-646-1925 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 10:05:00 -1000 From: Adrian Pierorazio Message-Id: Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Subject: Re: Rep : making kites using adhesives On 1 Feb 1995, Genicot Werner cnet-laa-tss-ssv Tel 96053839 wrote: > to respond to ... >> <*snip-o-matic engaged*> > People said to me that the fabric was Mylar with spectra or Kevlar which can > be glued (which glue???). This sail are off course very light. I don't know what was used for the 'spynaker' but, the material you are describing sounds a lot like Orcon. This fabric is like ripstop Mylar with Kevlar or Spectra reinforcing threads. Designed for aerospace applications, the material is indeed light, fairly strong, tapable (I'm sure the right glue'll do the job too), and available in either clear or aluminized (others may be available but I've never seen them). The problem is that the fabric is both expensive and hard to find (unless you work in the aerospace industry for which it was designed)--kinda like the fabric equivalent of incredibly tough Ti alloys. Incidentally, Hang 'em High has (or had) some available. Happy Hunting! Adrian = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 20:03:53 -1000 From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation Subject: Re: Rep : making kites using adhesives Werner.Genicot@lannion.cnet.fr writes: > People said to me that the fabric was Mylar with spectra or Kevlar which can > be glued (which glue???). This sail are off course very light. > Can some one living around San Diego investigate and ask for some little piece > of "magic" sail... This sounds like Orcron. tommarvin@genie.geis.com at Hangem-high is the only person I know who carries different grades of this sort of magic in stock. Andrew -- Does a Rev War Kite have 4 lines and fly on Manja? o /\ Kite Jumping: Read the Kite FAQ's: ftp.hawaii.edu:/pub/rec/kites/faq |_ \/ If you want For sale: Prototype Keelless Rowlands Flowform. US$80 (_\ to fly, use a Kite Fliers Site: http://www.kfs.org/kites andrew@tug.com Hangglider = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 10:22:00 -1000 From: bwg001@carina.unm.edu (Brian W. Gordon) Message-Id: <3h60d8$hae@lynx.unm.edu> Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Subject: Re: Rep : making kites using adhesives Andrew Beattie (andrew@tug.com) wrote: : Werner.Genicot@lannion.cnet.fr writes: : > People said to me that the fabric was Mylar with spectra or Kevlar which can : > be glued (which glue???). This sail are off course very light. : > Can some one living around San Diego investigate and ask for some little piece : > of "magic" sail... [snip] So you want to tape Orcon eh? (or other ripstops) Dave Lord is the man you want to talk to. Lemme see if I can remember what he told me. Get out your yellow pages. Look up 3-M. call your local distributor. One of the products you want is 9426PC (if memory serves me). My distributor was willing to give me FREEsamples (1" by 3 yds). I slit this in half and was able to do my Orcon Rev I. Tape seams in shear not in peel. Meaning simply overlap the two pieces without any folds. Hope this helps. Lord David may have more to add. :-) (thanks Dave) Keith Kidder = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =