Subject: Rev I & II - What are the differences? Message-ID: From: derwin@mach2.wlu.ca (Daryl Erwin) Date: 2 Dec 92 16:35:45 GMT Distribution: na Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University Having only seen pictures of the kite - I was wondering if someone could point out the differences between the two kites. How does this thing do everything it says? Do the two sails sort of twist? or do they always stay in the same plane? Also, how are spreaders(?) attached at the spar and the tips? **====|======|====** \ | /\ | / \ | / \ | / \|/ \|/ I see that the ripstop is pulled at the ends of the spar with tubing & bungee. The one price I have seen for the kite here in Ontario is $310cdn for the rev I, this seems kinda steep (for comparison the 6' flexi is $165cdn). A bunch of little questions. Thanks. PS Its kinda cool here for flying but I am awaiting Spring! -- Daryl Erwin Net Address: derwin@mach2.WLU.CA Information Systems (woo-eee a new name!) Surface Mail: P4-1, Main Campus Wilfrid Laurier University, Waterloo, Ontario Bus:(519) 884-1970 x2910 ... Go Hawks! = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: mjg51721@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael James Gebis) Subject: Re: Rev I & II - What are the differences? Message-ID: Date: 3 Dec 92 00:54:15 GMT Distribution: na Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana derwin@mach2.wlu.ca (Daryl Erwin) writes: >Having only seen pictures of the kite - I was wondering if someone could >point out the differences between the two kites. In general-- Rev I is big, Rev II is small. Rev I is stable and slow (relatively), Rev II is agile and fast. (To rephrase for R2 haters, Rev II is hard to fly straight) Rev I costs more, Rev II costs less. Rev I spins ok fast, Rev II spins insane fast. Rev I has 100' lines (typically), Rev II has 75' lines. (Not that you can't change this.) Rev I flies in less wind, Rev II flies in more wind. (I personally think that the flier's skill makes a BIG difference for wind range with this kite, more than with other kites.) Rev I has bigger handles, Rev II has smaller handles. Rev I packs down to the same length as Rev II (Incorrectly reported last time.) There are no Rev I's in existence that are owned by me. There is one Rev II that is owned by me. (Just to show my bias. :)) >How does this thing do everything it says? Do the two sails sort of twist? >or do they always stay in the same plane? It CAN do much if not all of what it says, although backward flight is not as spectacular as it sounds. (It flies backwards, but maneuevering is HARD!) They do twist....imagine two kites connected. If one flies up and one flies down, it will spin. The angle of each separate kite to the wind determines which direction it will fly. >Also, how are spreaders(?) attached at the spar and the tips? > **====|======|====** > \ | /\ | / > \ | / \ | / > \|/ \|/ Revolution has a good endcap system. Bungees through the endcaps, spars into the endcaps. I like it. >The one price I have seen for the kite here in Ontario is $310cdn for the rev I, That seems a bit steep....look in mail order. Don't know who's cheapest. >PS Its kinda cool here for flying but I am awaiting Spring! >-- I usually whine about Chicago....I'd hate to imagine Canada! _________________ Mike Gebis /\ /\ \ re\/olution / m-gebis@uiuc.edu OR / \ / \ \ /^\ / mjg51721@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu / uoi1nlo/\aj \ \/ \/ I can fly backwards-can you? ---------------------- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Subject: Re: Rev I & II - What are the differences? Message-ID: <17273@umd5.umd.edu> From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Date: 3 Dec 92 12:22:48 GMT Distribution: na Organization: University of Maryland at College Park In article derwin@mach2.wlu.ca (Daryl Erwin) writes: >Having only seen pictures of the kite - I was wondering if someone could >point out the differences between the two kites. The difference between the I and the II is the width--the I is 9' wide and the II is 6'. The II is *not* a 66cale version of the I. Rather, it's more like I that's had the outside ends chopped off. That said, I know plenty of people who've made custom IIs that _are_ 2/3 scale Rev Is and they fly quite well, though a bit different from a stock Rev II. >How does this thing do everything it says? Do the two sails sort of twist? >or do they always stay in the same plane? Yes, the two halves of the kite pivot independently. When you turn right, you pull back on the bottom line of the right handle, and the bottom right tip moves forward, at which point the left side of the kite flies around the right side. One of the bigger problems that new flyers have is flipping half of the wing, which is caused by injudicious yanking on one arm. The extremely tight control of the Rev comes from the fact that with four lines you can control the angle of attack from _any_ direction. And while the kite isn't nearly as stable when it's flying backward, you can still give it that negative angle of attack that makes it move backward. >Also, how are spreaders(?) attached at the spar and the tips? > > **====|======|====** > \ | /\ | / > \ | / \ | / > \|/ \|/ > >I see that the ripstop is pulled at the ends of the spar with tubing & bungee. There is 1 spreader and two spines. The spreader sticks through a dacron sleeve and has bungeed endcaps one ither end. THe spines also have endcaps; at the bottom tips there are two holes through which the ends of the bungee are placed; knots are tied in the bungee (there is also a vinyl washer between the knot and the kite). At the top, there is simply a hole through the dacron and the bungee is tied around the spreader. >The one price I have seen for the kite here in Ontario is $310cdn for the >rev I, this seems kinda steep (for comparison the 6' flexi is $165cdn). That's a much lower price than I would expect for a 6' flexi (which seem to run ~$145 in the US). Does the 310cdn price include lines/winder? Usually the lowest I see the RevI kit going for is about $220 (incl. lines), so $310cdn is _that_ much more. Remember that the kite is framed with 4-wrap Advantage, which isn't cheap stuff. In fact, the bulk of the cost of the kite is in the frame and the handles. Jeff -- |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true | | | Time for you to / Be who you are." | |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | --Happy Rhodes | = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =