Date:	Sat, 28 Jan 1995 21:12:55 -1000
From:	steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas)
Message-Id: <stevethD35o1J.Dqv@netcom.com>
Organization: VisionAire, San Francisco, CA
Subject: Review: Cyborg/Buena Vista Limited Edition


The Cyborg VIII, Buena Vista Limited Edition

Manufacturer:
Buena Vista Kite Company
301 8th Street
Suite 207D
San Francisco, CA  94103
415-626-3599 / 415-626-1226 (FAX)

Price: US Suggested Retail: $350 (Street: $320)
Type: Dual-line Cyborg-type, stand-offs, curved leading
      edge.
Dimensions: 96" wide, 38" tall
Weight: approx. 8 ounces
Graphic: 10 panel: dual-radial wings
Frame: Avia Sport G-Force, Excel
Sailcloth: Icarex .5 oz.
Construction: Laser Cut panels, sail-taped seams
Wind Range: 2-15 MPH

Review

The Kite.
That's right, the Cyborg.  This kite is built under license from Mike
Sterling of Aeriologics of Portland, OR.  The basic shape is the same as
the original patented Cyborg, but it has been slightly redesigned by Peter
Werba to make the kite more aerodynamic, and more capable of modern sport
kites moves (viz. stalls, axles, etc.).  Those of you who know the Cyborg
know that it's shape is unlike any other kite in the air, and is visually
very stunning. 

The construction quality of the Cyborg is much the same as the rest of the
Buena Vista line--laser cut panels, sail-taped seams, flawless quality. 
Also new with the Cyborg are hard Delrin fittings with the triangle
fitting, and other enhancements to make the kite more "tangle-free".

Overall, this new edition gives the orginal Cyborg design a new, high-tech
design, and high-tech construction and materials.

Flying.
The Cyborg looks like no other kite, and it flies like no other, too. 
However, Peter has worked to fix that :-). Even still, the Cyborg still
flies, "like a Cyborg" to a large extent.  The new design has made the
kite more "radical", more responsive, and simultaneously more stable and
easier to fly cleanly with.  With the new design, the Cyborg's ability to
do moves and precision with rivals that of many modern designs. 

However, the Cyborg's reason to be is not necessarily to be a radical
leading edge flyer.  The magic of the Cyborg lies in its esthetics, which
are simply unlike any other kite in the air.  Doing moves such as stalls,
axles and side-slips are very doable--and look *really cool*, as do all
moves with the Cyborg. 

The Cyborg is, in all respects, "something different".

A Note About the Company.
Buena Vista Kite Company was founded in 1991 and is owned entirely by
Peter Werba (Peter is now a renown indoor flyer and innovator).  Buena
Vista sells kites in at least 50 kites stores all over the world, and is
one of the top selling kites (if not *the* top selling kite) in Japan. 

Buena Vista sells a complete line of high-performance sport kites ranging
>From beginner kites (Streaker), to competition kites (XTC line), to
competition team kites (XTC X-10 line), to the two indoor products (XTC
Feather and X4I), and the newly released Cyborg VIII.  A total of 11
products in all. 

Buena Vista continues to be an innovator in high-performance flying, as
well as high quality sport kites. 






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Date:	Sun, 29 Jan 1995 09:31:57 -1000
From:	crowell@teleport.com (Carl Crowell)
Message-Id: <crowell.329.001388E3@teleport.com>
Organization: Kites By Carl Crowell
Subject: Re: Review: Cyborg/Buena Vista Limited Edition

steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) writes:

(meaningless promotion deleted...)

There was not a disclaimer atached to the review of this kite.

The post read like an ad and not a true review.  Does Steve Thomas have any 
ties to this new version of the Cyborg?

I have quite a few of Mikes origonal cyborgs, and like them quite a bit.
I have not seen or flown one of the new ones.




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email:   crowell@kite.com
FTP:     ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/crowell
WWW:     http://www.teleport.com/~crowell
Kites By Carl Crowell - O.S.F.M. World Headquarters


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Date:	Sun, 29 Jan 1995 20:54:25 -1000
From:	steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas)
Message-Id: <stevethD37Hup.BCr@netcom.com>
Organization: VisionAire; Palo Alto, California
Subject: Re: Review: Cyborg/Buena Vista Limited Edition

Carl Crowell (crowell@teleport.com) wrote:
: steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) writes:

: (meaningless promotion deleted...)

I'll look at the Cyborg review again--perhaps I got a *bit* carried away...

: There was not a disclaimer atached to the review of this kite.

I did a "meta-disclaimer" for all of my reviews of Buena Vista Kites in a 
posting called, "Here come...".

: The post read like an ad and not a true review.  Does Steve Thomas have any 
: ties to this new version of the Cyborg?

I am a Buena Vista factory-sponsored flyer (I don't fly the Cyborg in 
competition, though).

: I have quite a few of Mikes origonal cyborgs, and like them quite a bit.
: I have not seen or flown one of the new ones.

You really ought to check out the new BV version, then!  (Uh oh, I'm 
promoting again!).

Seriously, though, the review did give all the relevant information about 
the kite, including it's very existance.  The subjective review was just 
that--subjective.  Perhaps you ought to read some of the other kite 
reviews: I found that they weren't that different than the ones I wrote 
in form.  Usually people don't take the time to write *negative* reviews 
here on rec.kites: they usually write a review for a kite they really
*like*--and usually they're pretty positive.

My reviews are positive, too...



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Date:	Mon, 30 Jan 1995 09:15:18 -1000
From:	silent1@ix.netcom.com (Donald Qualls)
Message-Id: <3gjds6$pfk@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>
Organization: Netcom
Subject: Re: Review: Cyborg/Buena Vista Limited Edition

In <crowell.329.001388E3@teleport.com> crowell@teleport.com (Carl 
Crowell) writes: 

>
>steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) writes:
>
>(meaningless promotion deleted...)
>
>There was not a disclaimer atached to the review of this kite.
>
>The post read like an ad and not a true review.  Does Steve Thomas have 
any 
>ties to this new version of the Cyborg?
>
>I have quite a few of Mikes origonal cyborgs, and like them quite a 
bit.
>I have not seen or flown one of the new ones.
>
>
>
>
>___________________________________________________
>email:   crowell@kite.com
>FTP:     ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/crowell
>WWW:     http://www.teleport.com/~crowell
>Kites By Carl Crowell - O.S.F.M. World Headquarters
>

The first article in the series of reviews posted by Mr. Thomas 
stated that he is sponsored by the company producing the new Cyborg 
version.
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Date:	Tue, 7 Feb 1995 09:16:48 -1000
From:	steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas)
Message-Id: <stevethD3n9K0.Kq2@netcom.com>
Organization: VisionAire; Palo Alto, California
Subject: Re: Review: Cyborg/Buena Vista Limited Edition

AhClem0013 (ahclem0013@aol.com) wrote:

: Who makes these kites again?
: Tim @ Jordan Air

(It's in the first post, but OK...).

Buena Vista Kite Company
301 8th Street, Suite 207D
San Francisco, CA  94103
(415) 626-3599
(415) 626-1226 (FAX)



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Date:	Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:49:33 -1000
From:	ahclem0013@aol.com (AhClem0013)
Message-Id: <3h8fbt$3ap@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
Subject: Re: Review: Cyborg/Buena Vista Limited Edition


Who makes these kites again?
Tim @ Jordan Air


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