Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 05:11:15 -1000 From: Pierre Audette Message-Id: <46lk2j$t0g@crchh327.rich.bnr.ca> Organization: Bell Northern Research Subject: Snow/Ice Buggies??? Is it possible to adapt a wheeled buggy for snow use (with skis) or ice use (with skates)? If so, what kind of modification features are needed (ski/skate length)? Regards, Pierre. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 07:14:50 -1000 From: mss@das.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki) Message-Id: <199510261714.NAA16755@endor.harvard.edu> Organization: Harvard University Office of Information Technology Subject: Re: Snow/Ice Buggies??? Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 21:36:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Neumeier Subject: Re: Snow/Ice Buggies??? On Wed, 25 Oct 1995, Pierre Audette wrote: > Is it possible to adapt a wheeled buggy for snow use (with skis) or ice use > (with skates)? If so, what kind of modification features are needed (ski/skate > length)? > > Regards, Pierre. > Aren't there Land Sailers (I don't know if that's what they're called) that are made to go on ice? Would they use some kind skate blade like on an Ice Skate? ******************************************************** *Greetings from behind the redwood curtain; Arcata, CA * *Dave Neumeier don1@axe.humboldt.edu :) * ******************************************************** = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 06:50:34 -1000 From: Steve Bateman Message-Id: <46oe8q$1n@hole.sdsu.edu> Organization: San Diego State University Subject: Re: Snow/Ice Buggies??? Pierre Audette wrote: > > Is it possible to adapt a wheeled buggy for snow use (with skis) or ice use > (with skates)? If so, what kind of modification features are needed (ski/skate > length)? > > Regards, Pierre. > If you can get ahold of it, check out American Kite, summer 1994, v7 n2. It has a 2 page article on ice-buggying in the Netherlands. Kite Lines also had something on ice-buggys but I can't find it right now. The skates on these buggys are as sharp as knives because of the different forces (compared to regular ice-skating). Don't crash; you might lose some fingers (or the John Bobbit...). Steve Bateman bateman@mail.sdsu.edu Flying along. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 14:15:23 -1000 From: djskites@aol.com (Djskites) Message-Id: <46p8ar$lek@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Snow/Ice Buggies??? > Is it possible to adapt a wheeled buggy for snow use (with skis) or ice use > (with skates)? If so, what kind of modification features are needed (ski/skate > length)? I have ice blades made for my buggy, but I never had enough nerve or ice to use them. I believe that Fran has a new Peter Lynn attachment. Is that right Fran? I know I am interested, I believe it to be safer. Dodd = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 05:37:25 -1000 From: Pierre Audette Message-Id: <46qubl$nq1@crchh327.rich.bnr.ca> Organization: Bell Northern Research Subject: Re: Snow/Ice Buggies??? I've seen some of the local ice (sial)boats. They are big, heavy, fast, and their skates are sharp (V-shaped instead of flat like foot skates). How would the speed of an ice buggy compare to a wheeled one? Would ice would provide less friction than snow (with skis)? = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 05:01:50 -1000 From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation Subject: Re: Snow/Ice Buggies??? djskites@aol.com (Djskites) writes: >I have ice blades made for my buggy, but I never had enough nerve or ice >to use them. >I believe that Fran has a new Peter Lynn attachment. Is that right Fran? >I know I am interested, I believe it to be safer. Peter has been trying to solve the ice/snow problems for quite some time. The trouble is that there are so many different conditions to cater for, >From soft powder to solid ice. The tendancy seems to be study the conditions one day, make a prototype that might work on it, then go out the next day to find that the surface is completely different. I've seen photos of ice-buggies, which basically have skates instead of wheels. Initially, they had handling difficulties because the front would break free before the rear (unlike a buggy, where generally the rear swings out first), but solved this (I don't want to go into the precise detail without asking permission). They did, however, need to be *very* sharp, and with the open blade design they stood a good chance of doing serious harm. When Peter was in England this summer, he had a new design - wide, like a ski for soft snow, but with an "edge" protruding from the middle, for ice. This gives both soft and hard surface performance, together with improved safety - the blade was no longer quite so open. The one I saw was constructed from sheet steel, and reported to perform well in all circumstances, except for the fact that it was so noisy as to be unuseable! I believe that he now makes them from fibreglass to solve this final problem and that they are available to order. Andrew -- New to rec.kites? START HERE! | To: www@kfs.org send an email message like this-> | Subject: service /-\ () >< () |\/| () >< () /-\ | http://www.kfs.org/kites/welcome Psst! Wanna buy a roll of white, wide, Carrington seconds? gimme a call! = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:03:05 -1000 From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation Subject: Re: Snow/Ice Buggies??? Pierre Audette writes: >How would the speed of an ice buggy compare to a wheeled one? Having asked this of those who have done it, the answer is that the speed is irrelivant. It so smooth, slick, quiet and effortless, getting speed from the lightest whisps of wind, that no-one cares. It is a spiritual experience. It seems that in NZ, at least, the conditions for smooth ice co-incide with minimal wind... Andrew -- New to rec.kites? START HERE! | To: www@kfs.org send an email message like this-> | Subject: service /-\ () >< () |\/| () >< () /-\ | http://www.kfs.org/kites/welcome Psst! Wanna buy a roll of white, wide, Carrington seconds? gimme a call! = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 07:14:26 -1000 From: gramfran@aol.com (Gramfran) Message-Id: <47315i$45t@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Snow/Ice Buggies??? Peter Lynn will be sending Fritz a pair of his new skis for a buggy in December. Fritz plan to try them new years weekend with Lee and Sue up in Erie. He will probally leave them in Erie with Sue where they will get more Use. Fran = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =