Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1993 23:35:53 -1000 From: nowak@wrcd1.urz.uni-wuppertal.de Message-Id: <9307260935.AA26406@wrcd1.urz.uni-wuppertal.de> Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Subject: tricks I am looking for nice tricks and manouvers one can fly with a delta - I am running out of ideas . anyone any idea? J.P.Nowak nowak@wrcd1.urz.uni-wuppertal.de = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1993 09:00:56 -1000 From: sasaki@das.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki) Message-Id: <1993Jul27.190056.11107@das.harvard.edu> Organization: Harvard University Subject: Re: tricks In article <9307260935.AA26406@wrcd1.urz.uni-wuppertal.de>, nowak@wrcd1.urz.uni-wuppertal.de writes: >I am looking for nice tricks and manouvers one can fly with a delta - I am >running out of ideas . This is a hard request to honor. I haven't the slightest idea what you know about and what you can/cannot do already. This reminds of a private discussion that I'm having with a fellow rec.kites reader/poster. His suggestion is to try to come up with a consistant nomenclature for the various moves and classes of moves. This would make talking about stunts easier and more uniform. Does this sort of thing make sense with rec.kites? -- Marty Sasaki Harvard University Sasaki Kite Fabrications sasaki@noc.harvard.edu Network Services Division 26 Green Street 617-496-4320 10 Ware Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 Cambridge, MA 02138-4002 phone/fax: 617-522-8546 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1993 10:34:45 -1000 From: lin@mayo.edu (Yaxiong Lin) Message-Id: <2343h5$t0e@fermat.mayo.edu> Organization: Mayo Foundation Subject: Re: tricks Hi All, I was going to request the same thing ( information about stunts that people do and can describe to me ), but it looks like I was beaten to the punch. However, I had an idea ( which may backfire on me ), what I thought I could do is create a compilation of tricks and stunts that people are willing to share. Now I realize that many, many people read this news group, and hopefully most of them will benefit by having a compiled, organized list of stunts that they can try. My hope is that this list can complement the list of kite reviews so a person can select a kite based on skill level and then read about a trick >From a list and practice that trick or stunt. My motivation for this comes >From the fact that there isn't a kiting club near me ( that I know of ) and so I have to develop things on my own, but it would be great if I had some sort of direction to take my experimentation. That is why I want to ask everyone to give me their favorite tricks with just a short description of: Contributors Name & address ( email & regular ) Relative Skill level ( Contributor's and trick's, use your judgement... ) Type of Kite ( fighter, dual, Quad, Speed, Power, etc... ) Stunt Name ( yours or otherwise ) Stunt Description & tips ( how to do it, how to do it well, etc... ) Possible improvements Then I will take all contributions that arrive within a reasonable amout of time and post the results back on the group. Don't hesitate to send me a trick that you feel everyone will send in, I'll put everyone's name on it that comes up with it. Please don't feel that you need to send me "trade" secrets that you are going to use at the next competition, this really is very informal and is mostly intended for people like me who don't have an experienced kiter to learn from. I would welcome comments and suggestions and especially tricks, stunts, tips and whatever else seems approprate! Please mail me at: blezek@mayo.edu ( I am using a friend's account to post this so he will get any return mail ) or post to rec.kites. Thanks Much! -Dan Blezek blezek@mayo.edu "If carpenters built houses like programmers build programs, the first woodpecker to come along would destroy the world." -Anonymous In article <1993Jul27.190056.11107@das.harvard.edu> sasaki@netop3.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki) writes: > >In article <9307260935.AA26406@wrcd1.urz.uni-wuppertal.de>, nowak@wrcd1.urz.uni-wuppertal.de writes: >>I am looking for nice tricks and manouvers one can fly with a delta - I am >>running out of ideas . > >This is a hard request to honor. I haven't the slightest idea what you >know about and what you can/cannot do already. > >This reminds of a private discussion that I'm having with a fellow >rec.kites reader/poster. His suggestion is to try to come up with a >consistant nomenclature for the various moves and classes of moves. >This would make talking about stunts easier and more uniform. > >Does this sort of thing make sense with rec.kites? >-- >Marty Sasaki Harvard University Sasaki Kite Fabrications >sasaki@noc.harvard.edu Network Services Division 26 Green Street >617-496-4320 10 Ware Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 > Cambridge, MA 02138-4002 phone/fax: 617-522-8546 > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1993 12:23:23 -1000 From: wjon@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Jon Wagner) Message-Id: Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group Subject: Re: tricks I am not sure how it is done, but I know in gymnastics, moves are generally named after the 1st one to do plus discptives. I personally feel that is an idea that has to happen, if we are to grow as a sport. It would be nice to see a triple dermer or double Sasaki followed by a half Gomberg!! :) But we really need to standardize the nomenclature, like dance, gymnastics, diving, et el just my $00.02 jon wagner = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1993 15:58:27 -1000 From: kevin@hawaii.edu (Kevin Mayeshiro) Message-Id: Organization: University of Hawaii Subject: Re: tricks Yaxiong Lin (lin@mayo.edu) wrote: : I was going to request the same thing ( information about stunts that people : do and can describe to me ), but it looks like I was beaten to the punch. For those who missed Ron Reich's post of two months ago... - Kevin -- \ Kevin Mayeshiro : Go fly a kite. o --|\ University of Hawaii Computing Center : Really, /== ---|/ Internet: kevin@Hawaii.Edu : It's FUN! \ / ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = Date: Tue, 25 May 1993 04:47:30 -1000 From: reich@cod.nosc.mil (Ronald S. Reich) Message-Id: <9305251447.AA27682@cod.nosc.mil> Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Subject: Re: Help for a newbie Date: 24 May 1993 23:25:15 GMT From: dg185@cleveland.freenet.edu (Graeme L Lowry) Subject: Help for a newbie >My problem is that I am in the New Mexico desert, and am the only >one in the area that flies... Could someone please recomend a >book (I have already read Grombergs') or email me tips on >groundwork, radical manuvers, etc. I don't wish to buy >a quad just yet... I want to push my kites as far as I can >first. Graeme, I appologize for the poor format of the following information but I just didn't have time to clean it up. SPORT KITE UNIQUE STUNTS by RON REICH "HELICOPTER" THE HELICOPTER OR SIDE SLIDE IS EASIER IF THE BRIDLE IS ADJUSTED TO LENGTHEN THE TOP LEG. THIS IS WHAT WE CALL A HEAVY SETTING OF THE BRIDLE. AT THIS SETTING THE KITE WILL NOT CLIMB AS HIGH, BUT ITS A GOOD PLACE TO START PRACTICING THE HELICOPTER MANEUVER. NEXT, FLY THE KITE OUT TO THE EDGE OF THE WIND WINDOW. MAKE A DOWN TURN AND AS THE NOSE COMES AROUND TO POINT ALMOST STRAIGHT UP "PUSH" THE PULLING HAND BACK TO STOP THE TURN. ALSO, WALK TOWARD THE KITE ENOUGH TO KEEP IT FROM CLIMBING AND ALSO WALK DOWN WIND PARALLEL TO THE SLIDING DIRECTION OF THE KITE. THE KEY IS TO WATCH THE KITE CLOSELY WHILE MONITORING THE SMALL AMOUNT OF TENSION IN THE FLYLINES WITH THE INDEX FINGER ON THE FLYLINE OR BRIDLE OF THE HANDLE. MAKE EVER SO SLIGHT ADJUSTMENTS BY APPLYING PRESSURE WITH THE APPROPRIATE INDEX FINGER TO KEEP THE KITE POINTING STRAIGHT UP. BY ADJUSTING THE AMOUNT OF TENSION IN THE FLYLINES AND BY WALKING THE PROPER DIRECTION, ONE CAN ACTUALLY GET THE KITE TO SLIDE INTO THE WIND. I HAVE ACTUALLY HELICOPTERED FROM ONE EXTREME EDGE TO A POINT JUST ABOUT TO THE OTHER EDGE OF THE WIND WINDOW. AS YOU BECOME MORE PROFICIENT AT THIS TRICK YOU CAN START RAISING YOUR BRIDLE BACK TOWARD YOUR NORMAL SETTING. "NOSE DOWN FLIP STAND" WITH MOST ANY DELTA SPORT KITE THAT IS LAYING ON A LEADING EDGE, IF YOU GIVE A TUG ON THE WING IN THE AIR THE KITE WILL NORMALLY ROCK OVER TO PUT THE OTHER LEADING EDGE ON THE GROUND. THE DELTA KITES THAT HAVE A LONG ENOUGH BRIDLE ASSEMBLY, (ONE WHICH ALLOWS THE PICK POINT TO EXTEND BEYOND THE LEADING EDGE WHEN HELD OFF TO THE SIDE OF THE KITE) CAN ACTUALLY BE TUGGED SHARPLY ENOUGH TO CAUSE THE WINGTIP IN THE AIR TO ROTATE FAR ENOUGH TO PASS BENEATH THE FLYLINES AND ALLOW THE KITE TO BE QUICKLY STOOD UP ON ITS WING TIPS. (ALLA! MIGUEL RODREGEZ). (note: this stunt usually requires that the kite be equiped with whiskers/sail stabilizers) "TURTLE LAUNCH" from kite flat on its back. Position the kite about 30 feet in from the right edge of the wind window, On its back with the nose pointing into the wind. (Much like a turtle on its back) Note: this launch requires the kite to be outfitted with standoffs/whiskers. Next, Pull on the left line causing the kite to rotate the left tip into the wind. ( The kite should stay flat on the ground ) As the kite rotates around the wind will go under the left leading edge and flip the kite over onto its face. (bridle side down) The trick is to pull on the right line as the left tip is passing through 12 o'clock high. It is important that the wind be the force that raised the left leading edge off the ground and not the fact that you are pulling on the left line. When done properly the wind will catch under the face of the kite before it gets to the ground and lift it into the sky. "TIP STAND" (the most basic) Tip Stands require a delicate control over the tension in the flylines. Position the kite with the up wind wing tip closer to you than the other. (by about 2 feet) The ground surface should provide some friction. i.e. soft sand or grass. Pull gently on the up wind wing and control the amount that the other wing lifts off the ground by controlling the amount of tension in that line. Your first attempts should be about 50 feet in from one of the edges of the wind window and tilting the nose into the wind. "KITE WALKING" Children are very easily amused by seeing a kite walk on the ground. This stund is best performed when the kite is about 20 feet in from one edge of the wind window. Start by completely slacking the up wind flyline. Give a firm tug and emidiate release of the down wind flyline. The kite should have taken its first step. Now completely slack the down wind flyline and give a firm tug and release of the up wind flyline. The kite should have taken its second step. Continue this poscedure as you also take steps backwards. Be sure to alway completely slack the line that you are not pulling on otherwise the kite may do a tip stand or maybe even launch. With practice you can take big or little steps and even quick or slow motion high steps. "LEADING EDGE LAUNCH" The leading edge launch is best learned with the kite positioned about 30 feet in from the edge of the wind window. Point the nose of the kite into the wind. The objective will be to first get the kite to start sliding into the wind. Once it has started to slide into the wind you're home free. With the kite laying on its leading edge pointing into the wind, gently pull on the line attached to the wing that is up. Continue gently pulling until the kite leans toward you about 30 degrees. Maintain this hand position and start slowly backing up. The kite should start to slide into the wind. When it does, then start backing up briskly, The kite should start to lift off the ground, at which time you should start steering as usual. What might happen is the the kite will just flip over to the other leading edge on the ground. To keep this from happening you will need to put a little more tension on the line attached to the leading edge which is on the ground. Normally the kite can be made to flip back and forth switching the leading edge in contact with the ground by just a firm tug on the wing that is up while the other line is completely slack. P.S. Most delta kites edge launch easier when the bridle is set high. (Move the clip up to shorten the top leg of the bridle) P.P.S. Most delta kites land and side slide (helicopter) easier when the bridle is set heavy. (Move the clip down to lengthen the top leg of the bridle) NO WIND TOO LIGHT NO LINE TOO TIGHT RON REICH = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 02:29:56 -1000 From: lmarshal@pnfi.forestry.ca (Larry Marshall) Message-Id: Organization: Forestry Canada - Petawawa National Forestry Institute Subject: Re: tricks In <1993Jul27.190056.11107@das.harvard.edu> sasaki@netop3.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki) writes: >This reminds of a private discussion that I'm having with a fellow >rec.kites reader/poster. His suggestion is to try to come up with a >consistant nomenclature for the various moves and classes of moves. >This would make talking about stunts easier and more uniform. >Does this sort of thing make sense with rec.kites? It makes sense to me. In model airplane aerobatics we have the Aresti nomenclature which is a graphical depiction of manuvers used by full-sized aerobatic pilots. For verbal communication we use a fairly long-standing set of verbage that works pretty well. The difficulties lie when you have a maneuver that has many different types of entry/execution. In airplanes a good example of this is a tumbling maneuver called a Lomchevak. There are a bunch of ways this maneuver can be accomplished and the only similarity is that the plane, during some part of the maneuver, tumbles end over end. When you get pilots talking about these things they drop down to a more basic set of verbage that describes plane orientation and control given. I would think that this later set would be the vocabulary that is currently missing in kiting and would be required for proper communication of kiting maneuvers. ---------- Larry Marshall lmarshal@pnfi.forestry.ca Forestry Canada (613) 589-2880 Petawawa National Forestry Institute (613) 589-2275 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 05:14:56 -1000 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Message-Id: <23655g$en3@umd5.umd.edu> Organization: University of Maryland at College Park Subject: Re: tricks In article lmarshal@pnfi.forestry.ca (Larry Marshall) writes: >But there still needs to be a >standardized nomenclature to describe the components of a turtle and this >is lacking. How many components are there? You lay the kite on its back, you recover the kite. Unless you're talking about stuff you go into from the turtle. >For instance, a term to describe a kite laying on its back and >another for a kite laying on its front would be desirable here. Doesn't >have to be fancy and maybe front-laying and back-laying might be suitable >though they sound particularly odd to my ear. There's a trick where you fly the kite in a power dive and just above the ground you throw your arms forward so the kite lands flat on its belly, nose away from you. This is, of course, a perfect position for a belly launch. I've always heard this landing referred to as a pancake. It's obviously related to a turtle, except that it's done directly on the ground. >What is the term for dropping tension on both lines to the point of stall I've always just called this a throw. So what about a skate/helicopter? I learned the term 'skate' first for a kite that's sliding horizontally across the window. I'm not sure where the word helicopter came from, and I don't even know why it's used to refer to a skate. To me, a 'helicopter' should be the term for when you do a flat (belly-down) spin. This is a move I do, usually fairly close to the ground, where the kite does a semi-stall and spins around flat, like a helicopter's blades. But hey, what do I know? ;-) Jeff -- |Jeffrey C. Burka | "When I look in the mirror, I see a little clearer/ | |SAFH Lite [tm] | I am what I am and you are you too./ Do you like | |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | what you see? Do you like yourself?" --N. Cherry | = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 02:37:54 -1000 From: lmarshal@pnfi.forestry.ca (Larry Marshall) Message-Id: Organization: Forestry Canada - Petawawa National Forestry Institute Subject: Re: tricks In wjon@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Jon Wagner) writes: >I am not sure how it is done, but I know in gymnastics, moves are generally >named after the 1st one to do plus discptives. I personally feel that is >an idea that has to happen, if we are to grow as a sport. It would be nice >to see a triple dermer or double Sasaki followed by a half Gomberg!! You're correct that is the way it has been. I would argue strongly, however that it is not the best way. Such names do nothing to describe the maneuver which should be the goal of any such name. Some of the names I've seen here, like "turtle" are much more descriptive. But there still needs to be a standardized nomenclature to describe the components of a turtle and this is lacking. For instance, a term to describe a kite laying on its back and another for a kite laying on its front would be desirable here. Doesn't have to be fancy and maybe front-laying and back-laying might be suitable though they sound particularly odd to my ear. Terms like push-turn and pull-turn exist. What is the term for dropping tension on both lines to the point of stall, for instance? Just adding a couple more cents to the pile :-) ---------- Larry Marshall lmarshal@pnfi.forestry.ca Forestry Canada (613) 589-2880 Petawawa National Forestry Institute (613) 589-2275 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 02:41:55 -1000 From: plepez@is1e.bfu.vub.ac.be (Lepez Philippe) Message-Id: <2455@rc1.vub.ac.be> Organization: Brussels Free Universities (VUB/ULB), Belgium Subject: Re: tricks Hi all, In article wjon@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Jon Wagner) writes: >I am not sure how it is done, but I know in gymnastics, moves are generally >named after the 1st one to do plus discptives. I personally feel that is >an idea that has to happen, if we are to grow as a sport. It would be nice >to see a triple dermer or double Sasaki followed by a half Gomberg!! Thank you, the double Sasaki and the half Gomberg was very fun ! Seriously, I feel it is a great idea both to standardize (and explain) moves and to give them a rewarding (correct in english ?) name. Good winds. Philippe. -- Philippe Lepez (CP 125), | | Good kite Universite Libre de Bruxelles, | Email: plepez@ulb.ac.be | + Good wind 50 av. Roosevelt, | Phone: 32.2.6503553 | ---------------- 1050 Bruxelles, Belgique. | Fax : 32.2.6503323 | = A lot of fun ! = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 06:13:52 -1000 From: lmarshal@pnfi.forestry.ca (Larry Marshall) Message-Id: Organization: Forestry Canada - Petawawa National Forestry Institute Subject: Re: tricks In <23655g$en3@umd5.umd.edu> jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) writes: >In article lmarshal@pnfi.forestry.ca (Larry Marshall) writes: >>But there still needs to be a >>standardized nomenclature to describe the components of a turtle and this >>is lacking. >How many components are there? You lay the kite on its back, you recover >the kite. Unless you're talking about stuff you go into from the turtle. Good point. Possibly the jargonese we need to standardize is the piloting steps required to conduct a maneuver, not simply descriptors for the maneuver itself. Later on you refer to a "throw". Maybe it's terms like this that lack standardization. Come to think of it, the "skate vs helicopter" maneuver naming convention exists in the airplane world as well where people on this continent refer to a particular maneuver as a "snap" while many Europeans refer to the same thing as a "flick". Both groups, however, use the same jargon to describe how to do one. >used to refer to a skate. To me, a 'helicopter' should be the term for >when you do a flat (belly-down) spin. This is a move I do, usually >fairly close to the ground, where the kite does a semi-stall and spins >around flat, like a helicopter's blades. This makes sense to me. I've never seen this maneuver but can't wait to try it (grin). How do you induce the spin? Is it a simple tug on one line after you've gotten the kite on its "belly" (notice the lack of standardization)? Is the belly what others would call the face or front? Can you recover from this and if so, how? >But hey, what do I know? More than I do; beyond that I can't assess :-) ---------- Larry Marshall lmarshal@pnfi.forestry.ca Forestry Canada (613) 589-2880 Petawawa National Forestry Institute (613) 589-2275 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 12:22:34 -1000 From: wjon@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Jon Wagner) Message-Id: Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group Subject: Re: tricks >Terms like push-turn and pull-turn exist. What is the term for dropping tension on both lines to the point of stall, for instance?" Well when I do it is called a crash! again another $00.02 to the still growing pile jon wagner = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 17:29:55 -1000 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Message-Id: <237g7j$359@umd5.umd.edu> Organization: University of Maryland at College Park Subject: Re: tricks In article lmarshal@pnfi.forestry.ca (Larry Marshall) writes: I said: >>used to refer to a skate. To me, a 'helicopter' should be the term for >>when you do a flat (belly-down) spin. This is a move I do, usually >>fairly close to the ground, where the kite does a semi-stall and spins >>around flat, like a helicopter's blades. And Larry responded: >This makes sense to me. I've never seen this maneuver but can't wait to >try it (grin). How do you induce the spin? Is it a simple tug on one line >after you've gotten the kite on its "belly" (notice the lack of >standardization)? Is the belly what others would call the face or front? >Can you recover from this and if so, how? A lot of my more interesting turns/spins/whatever make use of a rather weird thing that kites do when they're turning. Typically, if you pull left, the kite goes left. If you pull right, the kite goes right. BUT, if the kite is the midst of turning left (left hand back) and you snap your right hand, a number of things can happen. The most basic thing is that the kite will actually spin a loop much faster. That is to say, if the kite is doing a slow, wide-diameter loop/turn to the left and you snap the right handle back, the kite will complete a tight loop/spin *to the left*. Depending on the way you snap your right hand, the kite _might_ do what I was referring to as a helicopter. This is basically what happens in the first circumstance mentioned above except that you pull the kite sideways out of the wind so that it does its tight (though not all that fast) spin with its belly (the front or face of the kite) facing the ground. This is what I was calling a helicopter. It's tricky to get the kite to do so whilst fully parallel to the ground, but even if the kite's at an angle, the turn looks pretty nifty. Finally, there's one other thing I accomplish with basically the same arm movements *but* only with a 3/4 sized kite (more specifically, I've been doing this move since the first day I flew my 3/4 Tracer. It should be rather easy to do with a Tracker or Trixter. Dunno 'bout an Extreme). When you do the opposite-hand snap, the kite will turn sideways into the wind in the middle of its turn without losing any altitude (though it does lose virtually all forward speed). The kite looks like it's almost flipping backward in a real tight spin. It's a move that really makes folks sit up and take notice because the kite is twisting in such a strange way, yet it never really starts to fall. It happens *very* quickly. I've approximated the move with the Pro vaguely successfully and seen someone else do it fairly successfully. But with a full-sized kite, it happens too slowly. To my mind, it's definitely a 3/4 trick. Jeff (who was having a blast in real light winds today with his Pro 'til he snapped one of his (year old) 45# 40'lines) -- |Jeffrey C. Burka | "When I look in the mirror, I see a little clearer/ | |SAFH Lite [tm] | I am what I am and you are you too./ Do you like | |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | what you see? Do you like yourself?" --N. Cherry | = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1993 03:29:15 -1000 From: reich@cod.nosc.mil (Ronald S. Reich) Message-Id: <9307291329.AA20471@cod.nosc.mil> Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Subject: Re:: tricks Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 22:22:34 GMT From: wjon@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Jon Wagner) Subject: Re: tricks >>Terms like push-turn and pull-turn exist. What is the term for dropping tension on both lines to the point of stall, for instance?" >Well when I do it is called a crash! "PUSH THE OTHER HAND NEXT TIME !!!" Posted by "HELPFUL HINTS INCORPORATED" = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1993 02:15:44 -1000 From: lmarshal@pnfi.forestry.ca (Larry Marshall) Message-Id: Organization: Forestry Canada - Petawawa National Forestry Institute Subject: Re: tricks In <237g7j$359@umd5.umd.edu> jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) writes: >say, if the kite is doing a slow, wide-diameter loop/turn to the left >and you snap the right handle back, the kite will complete a tight loop/spin >*to the left*. Depending on the way you snap your right hand, the kite _might_ >do what I was referring to as a helicopter. This is basically what happens >From my interpretation of your words, you're effectively stalling one side of the kite and having the other side fly quickly around it. Close? >(who was having a blast in real light winds today with his Pro 'til he >snapped one of his (year old) 45# 40'lines) You guys have an uncanny way of supplying me with lots of info and making me feel like a hick all at the same time. My kiting is truly primitive. I have 150', 150# lines and that's what I fly with, come light winds, heavy winds, and these are the lines that sit in the closet when there is no wind. It's obvious that I need to live a little. My only excuse is that I live in the woods :-) ---------- Larry Marshall lmarshal@pnfi.forestry.ca Forestry Canada (613) 589-2880 Petawawa National Forestry Institute (613) 589-2275 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1993 10:16:00 -1000 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Message-Id: <23eju0$nk9@umd5.umd.edu> Organization: University of Maryland at College Park Subject: Re: tricks In article lmarshal@pnfi.forestry.ca (Larry Marshall) writes: [re: "helicopter"] >From my interpretation of your words, you're effectively stalling one side >of the kite and having the other side fly quickly around it. Close? Well...not really. It's more like the kite is turning and then it stalls through a spin. If you do a real flat spin, it won't go all that fast. Even an angled stalled spin like this isn't *that* fast. My Pro spins much faster just from pulling back one handle real far. Imagine it sort of like this. The kite is flying up. You pull the left handle back and the kite starts turning to the left (and down). As the right leading edge becomes parallel to the horizon, you give a quick jerk to the right line. The kite stalls with the belly toward the ground and the right leading edge coming toward you but continuing the turn the kite was already in the midst of. Effectively, you've pulled the kite out of the air as beginners often do at the edge of the window but instead of the kite being perpendicular to the horizon (and falling out of the sky) it's parallel...it can still float. Jeff -- |Jeffrey C. Burka | "When I look in the mirror, I see a little clearer/ | |SAFH Lite [tm] | I am what I am and you are you too./ Do you like | |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | what you see? Do you like yourself?" --N. Cherry | = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1993 12:12:52 -1000 From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne) Message-Id: <1993Jul31.221252.13329@nic.funet.fi> Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET Subject: Re: tricks In <23eju0$nk9@umd5.umd.edu> jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) writes: >In article lmarshal@pnfi.forestry.ca (Larry Marshall) writes: >[re: "helicopter"] >>From my interpretation of your words, you're effectively stalling one side >>of the kite and having the other side fly quickly around it. Close? >Well...not really. It's more like the kite is turning and then it stalls >through a spin. If you do a real flat spin, it won't go all that fast. >Even an angled stalled spin like this isn't *that* fast. My Pro spins ------------------- I am confused, does this have more verbal than kiting acrobatics, ... really, I am out... >much faster just from pulling back one handle real far. >Imagine it sort of like this. The kite is flying up. You pull the left >handle back and the kite starts turning to the left (and down). As the >right leading edge becomes parallel to the horizon, you give a quick jerk >to the right line. The kite stalls with the belly toward the ground and >the right leading edge coming toward you but continuing the turn the kite >was already in the midst of. Effectively, you've pulled the kite out of >the air as beginners often do at the edge of the window but instead of the >kite being perpendicular to the horizon (and falling out of the sky) it's >parallel...it can still float. Yes, right line around the wing tip? No? but what do you do next?-) Simo = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =