Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1993 12:04:32 -1000 From: ahclem0013@aol.com Message-Id: <9311281704.tn44736@aol.com> Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Subject: WUFO'S Regarding theDumb Questions question as posed by the california wind wizard (Dan Rubesh) i have to add a recent experience; While buggying recently this year at Tybee island for about 2 hrs i was takin a break when some people came up to ask where the peddles where on my bicycle. (wait) i pointed out that my vehicle had three wheels and that the kite was my engine. "well," sezs the lady "how do you get going so fast then, I mean how do you pull that kite around then?" = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1993 09:21:56 -1000 From: sc5@prism.gatech.edu (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P) Message-Id: <126272@hydra.gatech.EDU> Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Subject: Re: WUFO'S In article <9311281704.tn44736@aol.com> writes: >While buggying recently this year at Tybee island for about 2 hrs i was takin >a break when some people came up to ask where the peddles where on my >bicycle. (wait) i pointed out that my vehicle had three wheels and that the >kite was my engine. "well," sezs the lady "how do you get going so fast >then, I mean how do you pull that kite around then?" Yeah, how did you get going so fast to pull that kite around? '-) Inquiring minds want to know! -- Steve Cseplo |A| The Mad Hata sc5@prism.gatech.edu |K| AKA Region 4 Director |A| "Hey, mon...Tako Kichi!" = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1993 22:06:50 -1000 From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation Subject: Re: WUFO'S writes: >["The buggie's got no pedals] >"well," sezs the lady "how do you get going so fast >then, I mean how do you pull that kite around then?" Hmmm.... Pulling the kite around.... [Andrew starts thinking] This inspires me for a neat stunt: Let's say that the wind is coming from due North. Take a double buggy, put a competent buggier with an efficient powerful kite in the front seat and put someone with a *low-pulling*, light-wind delta in the back seat, facing backwards. Run the buggy on a reach, heading due West. You whould be able to manage several times wind-speed, so the delta flier is flying in an aparent wind from (say) West-by-North-West, thus the edge of his window will be up at around North-East, perhaps even further into the eye of the real wind with practice. Hmmm... using a stack of Flexies in the front (downwind) and a single, Ultraflex flexi on the rear (upwind) might look neat. I havn't got a double-buggy [in fact, right now, I've only got part of one buggy :-( ], so can anyone else master this in time for Vegas? Andrew -- Work: gaffer@rec.com Phone: +44 793 614 110 Fax: +44 793 614 297 Play: andrew@tug.com Phone: +44 256 464 912 Interested in kite traction? mail kites@tug.com = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 02:54:37 -1000 From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne) Message-Id: <1993Dec2.125437.10149@funet.fi> Organization: Finnish University and Research Network FUNET Subject: Re: WUFO'S In andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) writes: > writes: >>["The buggie's got no pedals] >>"well," sezs the lady "how do you get going so fast >>then, I mean how do you pull that kite around then?" >Hmmm.... Pulling the kite around.... [Andrew starts thinking] >This inspires me for a neat stunt: >Hmmm... using a stack of Flexies in the front (downwind) and a single, >Ultraflex flexi on the rear (upwind) might look neat. How about two similar kites (like Peel, you know:-), the other in power zone, the other out of power zone. Then it's not necessary to turn the buggy at all, just change the role of kites and go back and forth. Simo -- Simo.Salanne@csc.fi -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 11:45:00 -1000 From: hlee@anes.hmc.psu.edu Message-Id: <2CFE619C@anes.hmc.psu.edu> Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Subject: WUFO'S Another suggestion: A two seater buggy where the front and back ends are identical, with two fliers in two seats facing opposite directions, each with the exact same kite. Result: a tug-of-war to see who is the most efficient at generating traction! Harold Lee rank amateur addendum - an interesting observation - whoever is able to turn the buggy downwind in his direction would have a definate advantage, as his opponent would be flying slightly upwind. This would mean that the simple application of brakes would not be an effective defense, since the buggy would turn to your disadvantage. It also means that if you are being dragged backwards, you may be able to steer to turn the buggy to your advantage... = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 22:00:26 -1000 From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation Subject: Re: WUFO'S In article <2CFE619C@anes.hmc.psu.edu> hlee@anes.hmc.psu.edu writes: >Another suggestion: A two seater buggy where the front and back ends are >identical, with two fliers in two seats facing opposite directions, each with >the exact same kite. Result: a tug-of-war to see who is the most efficient >at generating traction! A couple of guys in the UK had parts made to adapt 2 buggies into a "Push me pull me" buggie like this. I've not seen it in action, but I understand that they race back and forward, taking turns to lead. The buggy should be able to do neat spins and stuff but I don't know how good they are at it. The tug-of-war is unlikely to be fruitful because the kites are more than capable of ripping you out of the seat :-) Andrew -- Work: gaffer@rec.com Phone: +44 793 614 110 Fax: +44 793 614 297 Play: andrew@tug.com Phone: +44 256 464 912 Interested in kite traction? mail kites@tug.com = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1993 11:24:32 -1000 From: Darrin.Skinner@ebay.sun.com (Darrin Skinner) Message-Id: <9312032124.AA12483@stuntkite.EBay.Sun.COM> Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Subject: Re: WUFO'S -] Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 12:54:37 GMT -] From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne) -] Subject: Re: WUFO'S -] -] In andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) writes: -] -] > writes: -] >>["The buggie's got no pedals] -] >>"well," sezs the lady "how do you get going so fast -] >>then, I mean how do you pull that kite around then?" -] -] >Hmmm.... Pulling the kite around.... [Andrew starts thinking] -] -] >This inspires me for a neat stunt: -] -] >Hmmm... using a stack of Flexies in the front (downwind) and a single, -] >Ultraflex flexi on the rear (upwind) might look neat. -] -] How about two similar kites (like Peel, you know:-), the other in -] power zone, the other out of power zone. Then it's not necessary -] to turn the buggy at all, just change the role of kites and go -] back and forth. -] -] Simo -] -- -] Simo.Salanne@csc.fi -] -- Seems to me this is a good way to find out with buggy-er has greater tensile strength. If you 'change the role of the kites' while doing about 30mph what would give first(?): the kite, the kiters arms, the buggy. Research this for us and let us know.. ok :-{) Darrin = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1993 15:57:57 -1000 From: djharris@novell.com (David J. Harris) Message-Id: Organization: NOVELL NDP Subject: Re: WUFO'S In article andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) writes: >In article <2CFE619C@anes.hmc.psu.edu> hlee@anes.hmc.psu.edu writes: >>Another suggestion: A two seater buggy where the front and back ends are >>identical, with two fliers in two seats facing opposite directions, each with >>the exact same kite. Result: a tug-of-war to see who is the most efficient >>at generating traction! >A couple of guys in the UK had parts made to adapt 2 buggies into a >"Push me pull me" buggie like this. I've not seen it in action, but I >understand that they race back and forward, taking turns to lead. The >buggy should be able to do neat spins and stuff but I don't know how good >they are at it. The tug-of-war is unlikely to be fruitful because the >kites are more than capable of ripping you out of the seat :-) Besides, for a tug-of-war, wouldn't it be cheaper to just rope two harnesses together and see which kiter loses the most ground (or wears the larger hole in his pants)? -- David | mhs: djharris@novell J. | inet: djharris@sjfsmtp.novell.com Harris | cserve: 71776,523 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 13:55:18 -1000 From: mark@murder.demon.co.uk (Mark de Roussier) Message-Id: <755333718snx@murder.demon.co.uk> Organization: damage Subject: Re: WUFO'S In article djharris@novell.com (David J. Harris) writes: > > [various tug o' war stuff deleted] > > Besides, for a tug-of-war, wouldn't it be cheaper to just rope two harnesses > together and see which kiter loses the most ground (or wears the larger hole > in his pants)? > Now *this* is practical ! Also likely to see a distinct rise in the number of kiting - related problems at the local spinal injuries centre, methinks :) -- Mark de Roussier ************************************ Final thoughts, as breath is taken, Fall to rhythm, and the Edge of pure obsession, Resting in that wind blown cradle, Nothing moves, the world is still... ************************************ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =