Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 08:06:49 -1000 From: tomv@vismag.limmat.net.ch (Thomas Voirol) Message-Id: Organization: Visual Magic Digital Arts Subject: X4i I have recently bought an X4i at a local kite shop. Other than the kite and 6ft. and 20ft. lines, nothing was included in the bag. Can anyone tell me more about this thing since all I associated with X4i so far was the quicker variety of Ford Sierra. Thank you -- Thomas M. Voirol home: tomv@limmat.net.ch Kiting Badenerstrasse 363 work: chwr9xv9@ibmmail.com Playing Petanque CH-8003 Zurich http://www.chnet.ch/~voirol Cruising the Net Switzerland voice: (+41)-1-400-1642 Ballroom Dancing = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 02:52:40 -1000 From: kitejag <@pa.mother.com> Message-Id: <407mmo$a45@pa.mother.com> Organization: Mother.COM Subject: Re: X4i tomv@vismag.limmat.net.ch (Thomas Voirol) wrote: > > I have recently bought an X4i at a local kite shop. Other than the kite > and 6ft. and 20ft. lines, nothing was included in the bag. Can anyone > tell me more about this thing since all I associated with X4i so far was > the quicker variety of Ford Sierra. > > Thank you ..I think Steeve Thomas will probably also answer this post so just a couple of words about the X4i. The kite is one of the lightest kites available and weighs in right at one ounce. The in X4i stands for indoors. Designed by Peer Werba and built by Buena Vista Kites,the X4i can honestly fly in no wind and actually becomes a real fast mover in about 3 mph. The lines were provided in different lengths so a flyer could change to the short lines for indoor flying. Peter Werba flew his Master's Individual Ballet routine at Berkley with this kite and did all sorts of neat stuff in the very, very unusual light winds that prevailed at Berkley this year. I's a fun kite and the price of under seventy dollars US makes it a good bargain for light wind and no wind flyers. Think Kindly Thoughts John A Gabby Jr. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 06:44:38 -1000 From: steveth@mindnet.com (Steve R. Thomas) Message-Id: <40aoih$s6a@news1.best.com> Organization: NetMind Media Subject: Re: X4i kitejag <@mail.mother.com> wrote: >tomv@vismag.limmat.net.ch (Thomas Voirol) wrote: >> >> I have recently bought an X4i at a local kite shop. Other than the kite >> and 6ft. and 20ft. lines, nothing was included in the bag. Can anyone >> tell me more about this thing since all I associated with X4i so far was >> the quicker variety of Ford Sierra. >> >> Thank you >..I think Steeve Thomas will probably also answer this post so just a couple >of words about the X4i. The kite is one of the lightest kites available >and weighs in right at one ounce. The in X4i stands for indoors. Designed >by Peer Werba and built by Buena Vista Kites,the X4i can honestly fly in >no wind and actually becomes a real fast mover in about 3 mph. The >lines were provided in different lengths so a flyer could change to the >short lines for indoor flying. >Peter Werba flew his Master's Individual Ballet routine at Berkley with >this kite and did all sorts of neat stuff in the very, very unusual light >winds that prevailed at Berkley this year. >I's a fun kite and the price of under seventy dollars US makes it a good >bargain for light wind and no wind flyers. I can't add much to this, except that the X4I is also being used for what we call, "street flying" in which you'll notice that the X4I can be flown *anywhere*: in front of your house, in the airport, at the shopping mall, on the roof of your production facility in San Francisco, etc. The light weight, and small size, and the short lines really opens up the possibilities... One note--for Indoor flying, remove the top-spreader... ____________ Steve Thomas steveth@mindnet.com = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 03:51:22 -1000 From: ouisie@ripco.com (Ouisie) Message-Id: Organization: Ripco Internet BBS Chicago Subject: X4i The Buena Vista X4i is simply amazing! Although I was originally given a 'bum steer' when one kite shop person told me that it was just so flimsy that if it was flown outdoors and it crashed, it would be 'toast', I soon learned that nothing could be further from the truth! The X4i is as far as I'm concerned, the toughest kite in existence! When I finally decided to buy one because of the obnoxiously horrible lack of good kite wind here in the so-called 'windy' city, the person who sold it to me took the spars at both wing tips and actually bent them around into a circle until they touched each other! Absolutely amazing! I'd like to see ANY other kite withstand that! I carry my X4i in my bag at all times so that when the wind refuses to cooperate, out comes that little Icarex & micro carbon gem to save the day! Sure, the wind here is sometimes so terrible that it often shifts and may at times even push the kite toward me, which of course, then makes flying it a real challenge, but if any kite is going to fly when the wind looks hopeless, it's the X4i. The X4i also has its own unique way of complaining if the wind should become too strong. When flown in higher winds into the power zone, it literally convulses, violently rattling, rumbling, rustling, and making quite a horrendous noise while doing so. This is completely harmless to the kite however. It just makes flying during those brief moments very difficult. As for its edge handling, I have yet to see any other kite even begin to come close to the performance of the X4i. It literally hangs at the edge, unable to go any further around but remaining firmly 'pasted' in the sky, ready to respond to even the slightest control to bring it back further within the wind window. And while it's not a particularly fast kite in terms of its forward speed, it sure can turn in a snap! Perhaps, I'll someday get the chance to actually fly it indoors. As for now, I'm seriously considering going to 80' or more 30# Spectra lines. That ought to be really interesting! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 09:55:56 -1000 From: othasuay@terranet.ab.ca (Frank Lee) Message-Id: <40j10c$khe@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> Organization: I & I Services Subject: Re: X4i Ouisie@ripco.com wrote: "Perhaps, I'll someday get the chance to actually fly it [X4i] indoors." The X4i flies like a dream indoors! It was raining this morning so after karate class I kept the gym for some indoor flying. My wife, who is dubious at best because of all the money I have spent on kites, was even impressed by the kite. frank othasuay@terranet.ab.ca = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 07:07:55 -1000 From: ahclem0013@aol.com (AhClem0013) Message-Id: <40lbhb$9b3@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: X4i ouisie writes: The Buena Vista X4i is simply amazing! -snip- As for its edge handling, I have yet to see any other kite even begin to come close to the performance of the X4i. It literally hangs at the edge, unable to go any further around but remaining firmly 'pasted' in the sky, ready to respond to even the slightest control to bring it back further within the wind window. And while it's not a particularly fast kite in terms of its forward speed, it sure can turn in a snap!-snip- *****************Ouisie, you've never flown a Spec.******************************* aoxo = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 18:34:07 -1000 From: steveth@mindnet.com (Steve R. Thomas) Message-Id: <40mjkk$9ko@news1.best.com> Organization: NetMind Media Subject: Re: X4i ouisie@ripco.com (Ouisie) wrote: >The Buena Vista X4i is simply amazing! Although I was originally given a >'bum steer' when one kite shop person told me that it was just so flimsy >that if it was flown outdoors and it crashed, it would be 'toast', I soon >learned that nothing could be further from the truth! > [stuff deleted] >The X4i also has its own unique way of complaining if the wind should >become too strong. When flown in higher winds into the power zone, it >literally convulses, violently rattling, rumbling, rustling, and making >quite a horrendous noise while doing so. This is completely harmless to the >kite however. It just makes flying during those brief moments very >difficult. *cringe* Yes, the kite's tough, but, um, be nice to it, ok? :-) As a side note, the X4I had (has) a lot of testing on the *roof* of Buena Vista Kite Company in San Francsico. Up here, if you manage to dodge some of the resident barrels of Toxic Waste or occasional dead pigeon, you'll note that the surface of the roof is veritable sandpaper. As such, the X4I's gone through some testing in the durability department, and a few things have been added to help it hold up... Still, it's an indoor kite! Have fun... ____________ Steve Thomas steveth@mindnet.com = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 19:08:20 -1000 From: Zackmac1@aol.com Message-Id: <950814010747_54092183@aol.com> Organization: Harvard University Office of Information Technology Subject: Re: X4i In a message dated 95-08-13 18:24:08 EDT, ahclem0013@aol.com (AhClem0013) writes: > >*****************Ouisie, you've never flown a >Spec.******************************* > >aoxo well put. oxoa = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 11:00:22 -1000 From: ouisie@ripco.com (Ouisie) Message-Id: Organization: Ripco Internet BBS Chicago Subject: Re: X4i -=> Quoting Steveth@mindnet.com to All <=- >The X4i also has its own unique way of complaining if the wind should >become too strong. When flown in higher winds into the power zone, it >literally convulses, violently rattling, rumbling, rustling, and making >quite a horrendous noise while doing so. This is completely harmless to the >kite however. It just makes flying during those brief moments very >difficult. St> *cringe* It's not all THAT bad! St> Yes, the kite's tough, but, um, be nice to it, ok? :-) I'm nice to it...and all my other kites too. For instance, I only fly them over soft grassy areas and haven't yet even gotten interested in ground work as there's usually a greater potential for tearing the sails. Yes, I'd say I'm good to my kites. St> As a side note, the X4I had (has) a lot of testing on the *roof* of St> Buena Vista Kite Company in San Francsico. Up here, if you manage to St> dodge some of the resident barrels of Toxic Waste or occasional dead St> pigeon, you'll note that the surface of the roof is veritable St> sandpaper. Ouch! St> As such, the X4I's gone through some testing in the durability St> department, and a few things have been added to help it hold up... The micro carbon frame is truly amazing. St> Still, it's an indoor kite! Eventually, I'll get around to actually trying it indoors. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 11:00:05 -1000 From: ouisie@ripco.com (Ouisie) Message-Id: Organization: Ripco Internet BBS Chicago Subject: Re: X4i -=> Quoting OthasuayAllerranet.ab.ca to All <=- Ot> The X4i flies like a dream indoors! It was raining this morning so Ot> after karate class I kept the gym for some indoor flying. My wife, Ot> who is dubious at best because of all the money I have spent on kites, Ot> was even impressed by the kite. Now I know I've got to try it! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 11:00:14 -1000 From: ouisie@ripco.com (Ouisie) Message-Id: Organization: Ripco Internet BBS Chicago Subject: Re: X4i -=> Quoting Ahclem0013@aol.com to All <=- Ah> *****************Ouisie, you've never flown a Ah> Spec.******************************* Is that one made by Jordan Air? No, I've never had a chance at it. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =